Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Barnfred 55 said:
Ha ha. Fair enough mate.

Actually I had googled it first and the statement above looks remarkably similar to one of the responses I got:)

The thing is, none of them gave me the answer I was looking for, which is why I asked for clarification from somebody I thought might have known the answer. I'm still no wiser as I still don't understand why Northern Ireland had to be members of the both the Customs Union and the single market in the backstop.
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To protect the all island economy with both parts of Ireland being in it. If NI left the Single Market there there would be differing standards which would necessitate the need for border checks.
 
edge said:
Most leave voters would still vote leave despite being 2 years on and having the facts in front of them so not really true that they were to dumb to understand what they were voting for
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Dumb is a potentially inflammatory word for me to use as a remainer so I won't use that. But I don't agree with your assertion there.

Obviously on both the leave and remain side there will be a number of intelligent people who knew the ins and outs of what Brexit involved. To claim that the vast majority understood what they voted for (including many remainers) just doesn't appear to be true given what we repeatedly hear and see.

How many people considered the Good Friday Agreement? If the majority of leavers want to say they knew about it then fair enough but I don't buy it. I personally never considered it in my choice to remain.

There are a lot of vocal leavers who seem to fail to grasp the basics on a range of topics, Northern Ireland is a major one. I also have an issue with leavers talking about "what they voted for" with their leave vote when that was never specified. It was an outcome they voted for. The considerations that would have to go along with that were not included in their vote on the ballot paper, just a simple leave.

And that is what has caused the issue. People voted on an outcome, despite that outcome having a huge amount of challenges. Nearly all of these challenges were downplayed by hard line Brexiteers following the vote, and were swept under the carpet in the lead up to it.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We're just abiding by the will of the GOT people, for whom 65% want to remain so we're doing democracy, taking back control and something or other.
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Liverpool voted to Remain Bruce ......hardly surprising this forum is lent towards Remain .....including not much impartiality as I kindly pointed out to you...
It's nearly 3000 pages long it's been taken down once as tempers ran high - at the end of the day it's sadly in down to our elected MP, and what a dogs dinner they have all made of it - we needed a strong Brexit leader to form a good trade deal,and not offer 39 billion Euros up first........
 
The binman chronicles said:
Hardly their fault that there is only 1 computer per village and they have to go to night classes to learn how to use it before trying to sign the petition.
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quite interesting that people from a city renowned for being the biggest dump and full of crims in the country would slag off other areas.

When in fact none of it is true.

So knock it off
 
Joey66 said:
Liverpool voted to Remain Bruce ......hardly surprising this forum is lent towards Remain .....including not much impartiality as I kindly pointed out to you...
It's nearly 3000 pages long it's been taken down once as tempers ran high - at the end of the day it's sadly in down to our elected MP, and what a dogs dinner they have all made of it - we needed a strong Brexit leader to form a good trade deal,and not offer 39 billion Euros up first........
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Ground-Hog May, that you?
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Not sure I entirely agree with this. The backstop involves the whole of the UK being in the customs union so enjoying all the benefits of free trade etc but without freedom of movement. This is something the EU has repeatedly said isn't available so they will want to avoid the backstop every much as we do. IMO
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Customs union doesn't allow for free movement of agri-food products (and others) IIRC. Tariffs and customs checks will be applied at the Border

Isn't that what most leavers want. Some sort of free trade deal, with the right to negotiate deals with other nations and without freedom of movement of people. We need to comply with EU standards, but as they are currently our standards too what's the big issue. If they change standards in the future then we cross that bridge at the time. TBH, I can't foresee any changes so bad that will mean us giving up free trade with the EU
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God no, this is massive issue because they want to total separation from the EU. No alignment to their rules or regulations which they believe is the same if you follow single set of rules.

Not sure this is written properly. Can you clarify.
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Basically, the UK would not be allowed to apply tariffs on EU fish being imported into the UK, but EU would on UK fish being imported into the Union. They will waive this if they are given access to our fishing waters

OK. I understand why this would be an issue. But is it worth holding up Brexit for even putting Brexit at threat (obviously I'm referring to people who voted leave here)? Somebody, somewhere has to have a final say on judicial matters. In our law now, as it stands, the ECJ is the highest court. There has to be some sort of concession if we're going to make Brexit happen.
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Again, as above people who for leave (and those like ERG) see this has interference once again by Europe.
 
nsno-chris said:
What has that strange rant got to do with you think its a treaty?
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Barnier stated it was a leave treaty as it's nearly 600 pages long - the fact the other 27 members could not wait to sign it .... gave people in the UK the clue it's a bad deal - the trade deal was 8 pages it's a cart before the horse scenario......
Like it or not those are the facts.....
The backstop an insurance policy favouring the EU....
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I was being facetious mate. You need to try it sometime. Oh what's that? You already havelol

As regards the membership fee, it's absolutely true that the UK have a lower percentage of this directly redistributed back to the UK (approx. one third) than any other of the EU27. Added to this is that in comparison to the UK membership fee (roughly 15% of the total EU budget) the EU employs relatively few UK citizens (around 4%) and has even fewer positions domiciled within the UK (around 1%). So you can understand why many people would have the opinion that it could be construed as a donation.

And before you come back at me, yes I do fully understand that there are other intangible benefits to our being in the EU, but that is also true of every other EU member, no?
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Sorry are you being facetious or are you trying to defend your point?
 
The binman chronicles said:
Hardly their fault that there is only 1 computer per village and they have to go to night classes to learn how to use it before trying to sign the petition.
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What an idiotic comment. These places are the heartlands of misinformed comments every where from the daily mail to the BBC. Without the work of these noble savages you’d be able to read a comments page without feeling better about yourself
 
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