Current Affairs EU In or Out

[edge]

I understand it. I just don't think the majority of voters and the public do. Just like the majority didn't understand what they were truly voting for in the slapped together referendum.

The point was if the MPs can't agree, then the whole thing should be laid out and presented to the public to take it away from them.

Basically the 3rd party adjudicator

Don't honestly know what's happening, stick by what I have been saying for the last year or so I actually don't think we will leave at the end of it all other than in name only, if even that.
Leave won the vote.
The 2 main parties stood on an election stance of honouring the vote to leave.
500+ voted for article 50
But the majority of parliament has done nothing towards that aim other than try as best to stall, overturn the vote.
Most leave voters would still vote leave despite being 2 years on and having the facts in front of them so not really true that they were to dumb to understand what they were voting for
An Election might help if one of the major parties nailed there colours to the mast either way.
I suspect we will not get one as the MP's know that particularly on the Tories side they will have to answer for there actions and run the high risk of deselection .
A cross party committee might be an answer to take the parties politics out of it,as unlike some I think both sides should have a voice at the table , but that view has been lost along the way as it's got tribal.
Second vote would achieve nothing as it would just go back to square one and just start over again at some point , even if we stay a large part of the country will still have concerns over the EU nothing has changed to eliminate those concerns.
We are in for a tough time whatever happens.
Don't know the answer to solve it all, suspect know body does really.

 

[Fedlingen]

I know this is there, the point is the mass majority haven't read and won't read it. Additionally most of them won't lobby an MP to find out what the problems are.

This is why it's ended up not being a debate that involves the voting public but a in fight between MPs and parliament.

There was a good point made on question time saying why don't the government put out what the disagreements are and what the deal is, and let people vote for it.

It's hilarious that so many people are outraged and still won't take the time to read one of the most important documents in recent UK political history.

The Question time effort was okay, but journalists and the public need to pressure politicians to get an answer. A single question on a tv-show just isn't cutting it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's a complete and utter waste of time.

The referdum was held. The Leave vote won.

Now some planks are signing a petition because they don't like the result? I'm also pretty certain that people from all over the world can add to the petition, too. lol

What a load of tripe.

Well yes. The problem, as has been raised in this thread around 17.4m times, is the referendum didn't actually offer any plan as to how we would leave.

Leave voters are moaning about May's WA, a No Deal, the backstop, a customs Union. It almost doesn't matter anymore what the result of the referendum was as it's so far removed from reality.

If you're now faced with an array of options: every Remain voter wants to remain. So on that score there is a huge consensus.

 

[Joey66]

It's OUT though Joey. You should be happy no?

If it was a good clean deal HOC would have voted out both Remain MPs and Brexit MPs voted against the deal by a big majority twice .........

 

[Fedlingen]

Don't honestly know what's happening, stick by what I have been saying for the last year or so I actually don't think we will leave at the end of it all other than in name only, if even that.
Leave won the vote.
The 2 main parties stood on an election stance of honouring the vote to leave.
500+ voted for article 50
But the majority of parliament has done nothing towards that aim other than try as best to stall, overturn the vote.
Most leave voters would still vote leave despite being 2 years on and having the facts in front of them so not really true that they were to dumb to understand what they were voting for
An Election might help if one of the major parties nailed there colours to the mast either way.
I suspect we will not get one as the MP's know that particularly on the Tories side they will have to answer for there actions and run the high risk of deselection .
A cross party committee might be an answer to take the parties politics out of it,as unlike some I think both sides should have a voice at the table , but that view has been lost along the way as it's got tribal.
Second vote would achieve nothing as it would just go back to square one and just start over again at some point , even if we stay a large part of the country will still have concerns over the EU nothing has changed to eliminate those concerns.
We are in for a tough time whatever happens.
Don't know the answer to solve it all, suspect know body does really.

Watching as an outsider, my genuine take is that none of the two BIG parties had any leading politicians who could deliver a positive result for the UK.

The tory and labour leaders just don't come across a politically savvy. Hell sometimes they both look and sound confused, plain dumb and have no idea what they're doing.

If Donald Trump wasn't happening, this would be the biggest political news worldwide.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If it was a good clean deal HOC would have voted out both Remain MPs and Brexit MPs voted against the deal by a big majority twice .........

You can't trust politicians.

OUT means OUT Joey. End of!

 

[Fedlingen]

If it was a good clean deal HOC would have voted out both Remain MPs and Brexit MPs voted against the deal by a big majority twice .........

The majority chose who would be handling the negotiations.

 

[Joey66]

What are you going on about. It’s not a treaty, a treaty is a binding agreement between EU countries (i.e. Treaty of Lisbon). We have activated an article within treaty.

We don’t have a trade deal because we cannot negotiate a trade deal with the EU until we leave. The Withdrawal Agreement is not a trade deal, it’s a transitional agreement whilst we negotiate a trade deal. In other words, how we operate with the EU on leaving until a future agreement can be reached.

It does help if you know what’s going on rather than chat absolute bubbles Joe

We sign that leave document and it's a binding treaty to leave not s future trade deal - you are talking bubbles - oh the EU blinked last night at the thought of NO Deal being a valid option - no way they stated would we be allowed an extension unless we had something new on the table so they have put a short delay knowing Mays deal will be voted down again.......

 

[Joey66]

The majority chose who would be handling the negotiations.

Both major parties put in their election manifestos to honour the referendum - which stated leaving the EU with out of the single market , and out of a customs union.......

 

[Joey66]

You can't trust politicians.

OUT means OUT Joey. End of!

They will pay the price in the next GE........ oh , and don't rule out no deal as the EU may force that upon us as yet...

 

[Jebus_lives]

They will pay the price in the next GE........ oh , and don't rule out no deal as the EU may force that upon us as yet...

Nuance doesn't matter here.

OUT means OUT!

 

[Fedlingen]

Both major parties put in their election manifestos to honour the referendum - which stated leaving the EU with out of the single market , and out of a customs union.......

That may be, but that may not be an option. The public decided to leave and left it to the politicians to negotiate with the EU.

A political party can easily promise whatever they want, it's up to you if you believe them.

None of the labour or tory leaders current or at the time of the GE were ever going to be able to deliver a good deal.

 

[marnie]

Regarding the Revoke petition. I live in Greece and am a UK citizen and I signed it.You have to take in the factor of Expats living and working abroad i.e forces .

 

[Fedlingen]

They will pay the price in the next GE........ oh , and don't rule out no deal as the EU may force that upon us as yet...

The EU aren't forcing anything upon the UK.

Theresa May could simply just stop the negotiations.

 

[Joey66]

Nuance doesn't matter here.

OUT means OUT!

That's correct, and that in the biggest polictical vote in the UK ever with the biggest turn out post war - why it's called Democracy - not MPs to want what they want after a vote with a winning margin of around 1.5 million over 75 % of constituencies voted out a landslide if it had been a GE ......
It's not over yet we will leave......