Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Barnfred 55 said:
Mate I have often given the EU credit where it is due in this thread and also try to see things from their point of view. I agree that they have been pretty reasonable at times, and am on record as saying they probably have more to lose than we do with the backstop, which is why I believe they would do their best to negotiate a deal to stop it coming into play. And if it did come into play they would want to get out of it just as much as we do.

But being reasonable doesn't fully absolve them of blame where their actions have helped put us in the position we currently find ourselves. And I'll say again, just for good order, the vast majority of the blame lies with the UK govt and parliament.

An example of what I'm talking about is their insistence from the very outset that they wouldn't be prepared to discuss the future relationship, until the withdrawal agreement has been agreed. If they had allowed a separate negotiation team to discuss this alongside the withdrawal agreement, then perhaps there would be more people in favour of the deal currently on the table, and we wouldn't be facing the precipice. Also, if we're talking about red lines re the govt and other sides of parliament, it's only fair to mention the EUs flat refusal to revisit the withdrawal agreement and, in particular, the backstop.
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This dual track is exactly what I raised earlier....the backstop would not have been an issue.....
 
Joey66 said:
Rumoured to be giving universities student lectures about remaining too?........
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That half wit who has a column in the red supporting echo was speaking glowingly about him, as if every enemy of the Mail and similar papers is automatically great, the notion that they can also be less than perfect themselves seems to be beyond him.
 
roydo said:
Cant get my head round that conundrum neither. Speaker was pretty clear it needed more than a change of date to be a meaningful change. I think.
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He will be put back in his box. This isn’t about some low level piece of government policy. This is about the future of the country, and no weasel, even Bercow, will stop the vote.......
 
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