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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Singapore got a free trade deal with EU and so did South Korea why don't they need open borders? Are you saying someone who lives in Germany is not able to fly out to Asia?

That is how people would have to get into our country by flight we are not on a land border with mainland europe why do you think we don't have back bone to negotiate control on borders that is what most people want and until it happens right wing parties like ukip or anyone else who is an opportunist will grow in popularity no matter how extreme...

I didn't realise that Singapore and South Korea were in Europe.

Apologies, my error.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well cameron talked about 7 years roughly it would take to set up TTIP and other eu trade deals inside the European political union.We can do much better than that.


And Singapore has a free trade deal with EU and they don't have to take open borders do they? All I have seen on this forum is myths and scare tactics...

The free movement of people is a condition of joining the EU trade area, which is what most of the other non-EU European countries have. I would imagine this is a lot easier than starting from scratch, which is what we might have to do if we don't want to be part of the EU single market but instead have our own trade agreement with them that has no free movement of people included.

In other words, there's a club that we can be part of (as Norway are), but we can exclude ourselves from that and go our own way should we wish (like China et al).

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

Yes mate, international trade is as simple as being "good enough" and barging round the world making everyone buy our products at whatever price we say and buying anything we want at whatever price we say.

There is no benefit at all to the UK of being part of the EU's single market. Big companies realise this too and all of their operations will definitely stay in the UK. Market crashes?, the question of why they would want to invest here? Don't know why I would worry about that mate, they'll stay.

Can't believe I was being such a little englander and didn't realise this. Should of known all along that isolating ourselves from the global economy was a brilliant idea. Apologies for being so wrong.

China has a trade deal with Aus, Iceland has one with China, Sri Lanka has one with Inida, chile has one with usa etc etc i can go on

Do you not realise we can set up our own trade deals with the commonwealth and greater world, that is trading on a global scale unlike eu that is 15% of the world.

If you think German car dealers will not be willing to get merkel out of PM if she stalls trade with us you're delusional.

Trade will continue outside europe, even if we do or don't get free movement it would be better for economy in long term being out the EU and short term as we will not have to join euro bail out Greece etc.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

China has a trade deal with Aus, Iceland has one with China, Sri Lanka has one with Inida, chile has one with usa etc etc i can go on

Do you not realise we can set up our own trade deals with the commonwealth and greater world, that is trading on a global scale unlike eu that is 15% of the world.

If you think German car dealers will not be willing to get merkel out of PM if she stalls trade with us you're delusional.

Trade will continue outside europe, even if we do or don't get free movement it would be better for economy in long term being out the EU and short term as we will not have to join euro bail out Greece etc.

You do realise that we have no fiscal liability for any bail outs that happen within the Eurozone don't you?

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

I didn't realise that Singapore and South Korea were in Europe.

Apologies, my error.

I was giving an example of free trade deals eu has you're laughable if you think free movement is mandated in Eu, it can be bypassed and I am sure a big country like ours does not have to pander to EU we are better than Norway etc.

 

[Harryflashman]

You really think Boris swayed the vote in labour heartlands that won the brexit vote? Delusional,


If Boris fails the people have spoken and he will be removed next election in 2020.


Even may see UKIP come into power it could become that bad the state of politics, I am sure Boris would want to see majority of people happy so will try his best, unlike the remain side Cameron who asked for nothing and got nothing.

I was being flippant but I do struggle to see this as a blow to the political class when gove , Rhys-mogg, IDS et al were all heavily involved in Leave.

I don't think I'm delusional at all you think that it's a majority of labour voters that carried this ? I certainly think a labour disconnect was hugely important and probably swung it but let's not kid ourselves it's the right at the core of this whether it's the right of ukip and further in the NE or the midlands or the more palatable right of Boris in the Tory heartlands .

I think the base figures are 58% of Tory voters voted leave whilst 63% of Labour voters voted remain . Certainly though the discontent /disillusionment of many labour voters was a mJor contributing factor .

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

You do realise that we have no fiscal liability for any bail outs that happen within the Eurozone don't you?

You do realise it gets laundered in other ways such as why Dave paid the £1.7billion European Union surcharge he said previously was appalling...

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

I was being flippant but I do struggle to see this as a blow to the political class when gove , Rhys-mogg, IDS et al were all heavily involved in Leave.

I don't think I'm delusional at all you think that it's a majority of labour voters that carried this ? I certainly think a labour disconnect was hugely important and probably swung it but let's not kid ourselves it's the right at the core of this whether it's the right of ukip and further in the NE or the midlands or the more palatable right of Boris in the Tory heartlands .

I think the base figures are 58% of Tory voters voted leave whilst 63% of Labour voters voted remain . Certainly though the discontent /disillusionment of many labour voters was a mJor contributing factor .

Take london out the equation it would of been 65-55 probably, the is a massive disconnect between london and rest of uk and labour and tory voters with the people meant to represent them.

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

We can certainly try for those deals mate. However two people have to agree for a deal to be done and I can't imagine the EU will agree. I suspect any deal we now get re-migrants will need to be far more open than the current consensus if we wish to want to remain having access to the common market that is.

I can't see how a goverment in france or germany can survive an election if gov does not push through a trade deal with us.

We have the leverage, Merkel the boss of europe is under far to much pressure to not work with us.

 

[bobbydigital]

China has a trade deal with Aus, Iceland has one with China, Sri Lanka has one with Inida, chile has one with usa etc etc i can go on

Do you not realise we can set up our own trade deals with the commonwealth and greater world, that is trading on a global scale unlike eu that is 15% of the world.

If you think German car dealers will not be willing to get merkel out of PM if she stalls trade with us you're delusional.

Trade will continue outside europe, even if we do or don't get free movement it would be better for economy in long term being out the EU and short term as we will not have to join euro bail out Greece etc.

You are living in a fantasy dreamworld if you think we will just go around the world clicking our fingers getting trade deals overnight.

It is also quite interesting you bring up the automotive industry, here is a quote from Toyota about the impact of leaving the EU on their UK operations.

Toyota says "we are concerned that leaving [the EU] would create additional business challenges. As a result we believe continued British membership of the EU is best for our operations and their long-term competitiveness."

Whilst they are not going to outright come out and say we are leaving, you can make of that comment what you will.

This is a company that employs 3,400 at their Burnaston and Deeside plants, which together represent a little over £2.2 billion worth of investment.

 

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[Harryflashman]

Take london out the equation it would of been 65-55 probably, the is a massive disconnect between london and rest of uk and labour and tory voters with the people meant to represent them.

I haven't seen those figures published so we're guessing aren't we ?

Aren't too many Tory voters in Liverpool but that was also remain wasn't it ? As I think was Manchester .

I'm not arguing that labour voters voted leave but so did Tories , the right have pursued leave for decades that's why we had the referendum in the first place .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Truth? reality? you can't handle the truth.. That is why you think we aren't good enough to trade with world bottom line, little englander.

Calm down please. It should be clear to everyone that Britain already trades with the rest of the world. EU membership does not restrict us to only working with EU nations. Indeed, several weeks ago I was at a DTI event that was hoping to promote trade amongst the Commonwealth, and at Canada House a few weeks after that where the Canadians were trying to boost trade between Britain and Canada.

EU membership and global trade are not mutually exclusive so we can we please put that to bed?

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

You are living in a fantasy dreamworld if you think we will just go around the world clicking our fingers getting trade deals overnight.

It is also quite interesting you bring up the automotive industry, here is a quote from Toyota about the impact of leaving the EU on their UK operations.

Toyota says "we are concerned that leaving [the EU] would create additional business challenges. As a result we believe continued British membership of the EU is best for our operations and their long-term competitiveness."

Whilst they are not going to outright come out and say we are leaving, you can make of that comment what you will.

This is a company that employs 3,400 at their Burnaston and Deeside plants, which together represent a little over £2.2 billion worth of investment.

And that matters how, we voted to leave, I wanted to remain the vote is over, look how many cars germany sell to us compared to Toyota

 

[hullefc]

L o l at you implying we couldn't be better off and make an extra 1 + bil with trading with the world not just eu.

The UK already trades with the world including the commonwealth. For example a £9 billion trade deal with India and Free Trade Agreements with Commonwealth countries.

"It’s sometimes suggested that the EU’s trade deals with other countries don’t benefit the UK. But the UK’s exports to Commonwealth countries have been increasing at over 10% a year – with increases (over two years) of 33% to India, 31% to South Africa, 30% to Australia and 18% to Canada. In fact, since 2004, British exports to India are up 143%. Needless to say, this increase in trade with the Commonwealth (while an EU member) must have created or maintained many British jobs.

Is it possible that after leaving the EU, the UK could negotiate trade deals with Commonwealth countries more quickly, or deals which are even more favourable to the UK? First of all, as noted above, the EU already has agreed trade deals with 64% of Commonwealth countries, and is negotiating with another 26%. Some of the latter negotiations are likely to be completed by the time that ‘Brexit’ took place".

"Below is a list showcasing 15 of United Kingdom’s top import partners, countries that imported the most UK shipments by dollar value during 2015. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total UK exports.

1. United States: US$66.5 billion (14.5% of total UK exports)
2. Germany: $46.4 billion (10.1%)
3. Switzerland: $32.2 billion (7%)
4. China: $27.4 billion (5.9%)
5. France: $27 billion (5.9%)
6. Netherlands: $26.6 billion (5.8%)
7. Ireland: $25.5 billion (5.5%)
8. Belgium: $17.8 billion (3.9%)
9. Spain: $13.1 billion (2.8%)
10. Italy: $12.9 billion (2.8%)
11. United Arab Emirates: $10.3 billion (2.2%)
12. Hong Kong: $9.6 billion (2.1%)
13. South Korea: $7 billion (1.5%)
14. Saudi Arabia: $6.7 billion (1.5%)
15. Sweden: $6.6 billion (1.4%)

Almost three-quarters (72.9%) of UK exports in 2015 were delivered to the above 15 trade partners.

Among these top trade partners, UK imports to China rose in value at the fastest pace from 2011 to 2015 with a 94.2% gain.

In second place were South Korean importers, which grew their imports from the UK by 72.9%.

Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates boosted their imports purchases by 36% and 23.5%, respectively.

America’s imports from the UK increased by 5.7% over the 5-year period".