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Barnfred 55
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No they aren't. The one figure we know is in place today is the stronger towns fund. The other is an estimate that an independent organisation has said it believes the EU would have allocated to the UK had we still been part it. But all the actual figures the EU have produced are based on the E27 only.
The funding under the STF is in addition to the structural funding we will continue to receive from the EU until the end of 2020 if we agree a deal, and it will be in addition to the replacement fund when it is set up. It is not a replacement for either.
As usual Bruce you are quite happy to believe anything published that suits your agenda, and then just dismiss anything that doesn't. Using clever words like illusory means nothing. No government will ever get away with not replacing the EU structural funding and well you know it, especially once it has committed to do so. Plus you have no idea how much will be in it so saying that it won't have anything close to 13b is a complete guess. What we do know from the EU plan is that their commitment to structural funding over the next 7 year financial cycle is 373b euros, and that's not including the UKs 13b or the effects of inflation. If the UK continued contributing 15% of the EU funding then just financing the structural funding bill would cost us in the region of 55b. So it could in theory fund 13b and have 42b to spare.
I'm not supporting the Tories here Bruce. They have been nothing short of negligent in the way they have conducted the Brexit process from the outset. I actually don't think they could have done a worse job. But the rest of Parliament haven't been much better either.
But this has not been about how they are handling Brexit or even running the country as a whole. This is about you posting some stuff in this thread that is false or, at best, misleading. I'd have more respect for you if you, just for once, acknowledged that.
You can quite easily calculate this though based on the figures that the UK have released and the methodology for EU spending for the Development Fund and social fund. It's fairly accurate in the assessment regarding likely 2020-2027 allocation.
However, there has yet to be any details of how the UK government will match that, aside from the commitment they've already made to honour the shortfall in existing EU funded schemes if we leave.
I also don't know if the government 'wouldn't get away with it' if they didn't replace the funding. Look at the areas most likely to be impacted, Wales, North East, North West, South West. Mostly labour voting areas, who as we've seen from previous Tory Government's, they're happy to let decline, even manage that decline. And, if they're challenged on it, they can blame it on the EU.
Barnfred 55
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As you know I've already agreed that the 13b estimate is reasonable and that the source of that estimate is a trusted source. But Bruce referred to it as a "certainty" and I'm just putting him straight on that. The EU has not, as far as I'm aware, published any official figure.
I also accept that the Govt hasn't announced any funding figures to compare with what the EU would have spent through their structural funding scheme. But in fairness they have promised that a fund will be set up, it is almost 2 years before the fund will come into effect, and given where we are/aren't with actual Brexit itself, the Govt has much more important issues to sort out first.
The issue here is that Bruce has basically decided that the Govt will not set up the replacement fund as promised, and that the only alternative to the EU structural funds will be the £1.6b from the recently announced Stronger Towns Fund. There's absolutely no tangible evidence to support that other than a belief (not necessarily an inaccurate one by the way) that the Tories are a bunch of gobshiites.
That tweet was clearly inaccurate and misleading, as are some of the other anti Brexit links posted on here (Not all by the way. A lot of them are spot on). Are you comfortable with that?
davek
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She;'s just made another howler in the Commons concerning "legitimate killings" in N.I. troubles.Do you think he might have a better grasp than Karen Bradley?
Karen Bradley admits ignorance of Northern Ireland politics
The Northern Ireland secretary says she was ‘slightly scared’ of the region before taking officewww.theguardian.com
This government is choc full of thick gets who are just low feeders.
Hunt
Grayling
Bradley
Javid
Rudd
FFS, these are some of the most cluelss Ministes of all time...and they're all in the one Cabinet!
The French preparations are as bad as ours.
roydo
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Imagine what it will be like in a few weeks.
He's well capable of speaking for himself, but I'm incredibly cynical as to if the Government will match that funding (albeit one that the EU hasn't budgeted for, but would have to were we to stay in the EU). However, they might, but have given no details as to how much, the process for application (if there is one), the measure by which it will be calculated, which other budgets it's being taken from, how they will fund it etc etc etc.
But I wouldn't trust this Government to keep their promises.
The rhetoric will ramp up on this side as the collective media arseholes start to twitch. The public panic on this side will be bad enough without having to think about the French lol
There is just a conveyor belt of [Poor language removed]. You cheer as one is ousted for incompetence or outright lying but realise they'll be replaced by an equally incompetent public school educated idiot who has risen to the position based on an educational self confidence, an inherited wealth and a rhetoric of patriotism and xenophobia.
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I'm relatively confident they will get away with it, they might make a token effort. I expect quite a tame/resigned/stoic/ (pick a better fitting word) reaction tbh. Not like in France/Belgium (or similar countries), there I would be pretty certain that things would burn- a culture of public protest and strong unions. E.g: the protesting climate children debacle, a lot of people criticizing the children (when on the most busiest day the total number was still very small something around 8000-10.000; small country like Belgium gets 35.000 and the minister that criticized the children was forced to resign). There might be a slight electoral backlash; but hardly anything significant. One of the reasons why I think that is very unlikely that Brexit is going to result in a swing to the left.
They got 700 hundred extra ones; they don't think that's sufficient. That and they are asking a raise. It's supposed to be a reflection of what Brexit will look like.
Barnfred 55
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In fairness you were the one who responded to my post. I wasn't asking you to speak for him.
Just because the govt hasn't announced details yet doesn't mean it won't deliver a fund. They still have the best part of 2 years to do so and there are other priorities to deal with first. And by the way, I've never said they would replicate the 13b planned from the EU. I agree it's possible they won't deliver at all, and when/if that happens is the time to make the statement of comparisons with the EU. Not now when there's absolutely nothing tangible to back it up.
Well yes, we will have to wait and see, but I won't be holding my breath.
They will assume the electorate won't be arsed enough to vote them out. The middle England Tory voters will stand by them. Let's be honest, the turnout for the referendum was huge in comparison to a general election, the evidence would suggest that the same electorate won't hold the government to account.
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