Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bruce Wayne said:
The backstop was the government's idea though. It was just an idea they had no real idea how to implement, and that has been soundly rejected by the UK parliament. Not really sure how that's the EU's fault or problem.
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It would have been good for the EU to agree a sensible deal, but if it’s not to be then so be it. The U.K. government may be a shambles, but I would believe that we are probably bettered prepared for a no deal than anyone in the EU.....
 
peteblue said:
It would have been good for the EU to agree a sensible deal, but if it’s not to be then so be it. The U.K. government may be a shambles, but I would believe that we are probably bettered prepared for a no deal than anyone in the EU.....
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That should be a given, no? The UK is going to be far more affected by a no deal Brexit than the rest of Europe.
 
I get that, I'm just shocked you'd need someone to tell you.

For a start

The UK will face major unrest at it's only land border. The NI border is only a fraction of the EU land border.
The UK will face major delays to all it's sea ports, The EU will only face delays at a handfull of it's ports.
The UK has to take on a huge bureaucratic program to replace every EU law/standard. The EU will not have to do this.
The UK will have to deal with the economic fall out of the financial sector leaving the city. The EU will not.
UK industry will have to do far more prep/future proofing than EU industry. From the EU point of view, the Irish economy will be hardest hit. The Irish government is united on this front, has passed legislation in the case of a 'no deal brexit' and is fully supported by the EU. This seems to be more organized than the UK.

The above are all facts. There are a million other areas where the UK might be more severely affected by a hard brexit than the EU.
 
peteblue said:
It would have been good for the EU to agree a sensible deal, but if it’s not to be then so be it. The U.K. government may be a shambles, but I would believe that we are probably bettered prepared for a no deal than anyone in the EU.....
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From what I understand, it's the backstop that has been the main sticking point in parliament, and that was something proposed by us, not the EU. When are we going to stop blaming Europe for everything Pete? Just asking for a friend, as you said we'd stop doing that soon.
 
peteblue said:
It would have been good for the EU to agree a sensible deal, but if it’s not to be then so be it. The U.K. government may be a shambles, but I would believe that we are probably bettered prepared for a no deal than anyone in the EU.....
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That would seriously surprise me. The Dutch preparation has been by far the best in my opinion.

The CEO of the port of Zeebrugge (lots of UK bound traffic; 45 percent) was in the newspaper today expressing his opinion about British preparations.

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I'll quote him: "Nobody that conducts international trade understands this. Strange people those Brits. A lot of them don't seem to worry yet; including the companies. They think everything will work itself out. While we've been preparing for the worst case scenario for over two years (extensive digital platform etc)".

(the rest is about how there is already a decline in demand for British cars - 10 percent and in case of Brexit they expect an additional 20/30 percent- and how a further falling pound will effect that, less trade etc... - not really relevant here)

And then an extensive list about not yet having EORI numbers etc.
 
peteblue said:
It would have been good for the EU to agree a sensible deal, but if it’s not to be then so be it. The U.K. government may be a shambles, but I would believe that we are probably bettered prepared for a no deal than anyone in the EU.....
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Considering a large proportion of our No Deal preparations only started in earnest in January, I very much doubt it.
 
peteblue said:
As does the Eu continually saying ‘tell us what you want’. This brinkmanship does not auger well for any future relationship. We should just walk away, let the clock tick down and leave....
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Considering we voted to leave and we 'hold all the cards' ( lol) it's only reasonable for the EU to ask us what we want, if we fail to articulate that, then what other question do you expect them to ask?
 
Armel said:
That would seriously surprise me. The Dutch preparation has been by far the best in my opinion.

The CEO of the port of Zeebrugge (lots of UK bound traffic; 45 percent) was in the newspaper today expressing his opinion about British preparations.

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I'll quote him: "Nobody that conducts international trade understands this. Strange people those Brits. A lot of them don't seem to worry yet; including the companies. They think everything will work itself out. While we've been preparing for the worst case scenario for over two years (extensive digital platform etc)".

(the rest is about how there is already a decline in demand for British cars - 10 percent and in case of Brexit they expect an additional 20/30 percent- and how a further falling pound will effect that, less trade etc... - not really relevant here)

And then an extensive list about not yet having EORI numbers etc.
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Excellent, at least one European country will be able to trade with us on a sensible basis.....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
From what I understand, it's the backstop that has been the main sticking point in parliament, and that was something proposed by us, not the EU. When are we going to stop blaming Europe for everything Pete? Just asking for a friend, as you said we'd stop doing that soon.
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I believe the ‘backstop’ was a requirement demanded by the EU at the request of the ROI....why would the U.K. demand a backstop......
 
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