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I get that, I'm just shocked you'd need someone to tell you.

For a start

The UK will face major unrest at it's only land border. The NI border is only a fraction of the EU land border.
The UK will face major delays to all it's sea ports, The EU will only face delays at a handfull of it's ports.
The UK has to take on a huge bureaucratic program to replace every EU law/standard. The EU will not have to do this.
The UK will have to deal with the economic fall out of the financial sector leaving the city. The EU will not.
UK industry will have to do far more prep/future proofing than EU industry. From the EU point of view, the Irish economy will be hardest hit. The Irish government is united on this front, has passed legislation in the case of a 'no deal brexit' and is fully supported by the EU. This seems to be more organized than the UK.

The above are all facts. There are a million other areas where the UK might be more severely affected by a hard brexit than the EU.
Over the last month or two the Irish government have launched a media campaign advising specific areas of industry of the need to prepare for every possible scenario in the event of a no deal Brexit.

There has been absolutely nothing of a similar kind from the UK government. Zilch. Unbelievable coming from the country that will be most affected.
 
Considering a large proportion of our No Deal preparations only started in earnest in January, I very much doubt it.

De geboren en getogen Limburger zit als een van de weinige Nederlanders dicht op het chaotische Brexitproces in Londen. Hans Maessen is douane-expert: al 35 jaar helpt hij bedrijven met de import en export van goederen en kent hij zodoende iedere krocht van de douanepraktijk. Vanwege die kennis adviseert hij de European Research Group (ERG) van Conservatieve parlementariërs als Jacob Rees-Mogg, Iain Duncan Smith en David Davis.

Tot nu toe blokkeren zij in de Conservatieve fractie het akkoord tussen Theresa May en de EU. De groep van circa zeventig Members of Parliament (MP’s) heeft een alternatief plan voor de gehate backstop, de maatregel die ervoor moet zorgen dat de grens tussen Noord-Ierland en Ierland ook na de Brexit onzichtbaar blijft. Dat plan komt voor een aanzienlijk deel uit de koker van de Limburger.

Zijn er in het Verenigd Koninkrijk zelf geen mensen met kennis van douane- en grenskwesties?

„Er is een enorm gebrek aan douanekennis in Engeland, dat heeft ze in onderhandelingen met de EU ook opgebroken. Ik zeg altijd: customs are not sexy. Als je niet met douane te maken wilt hebben, ga je er ook niet naar op zoek. Maar het is een mooi vak, hoor. Het is een stelsel dat wereldwijd is afgestemd, het is hyper-internationaal en volledig geautomatiseerd. Het is logistiek, het is juridisch, financieel, fiscaal. In welke sector heb je dat? Er zit heel veel dynamiek in. Kijk naar Trump en China, kijk naar Brexit: dat draait om goederen, het draait om douane.”


Maessen is geen politiek idealist. In tegenstelling tot de ERG houdt hij het VK liever in de Europese Unie. En hij ziet ook wel de tekortkomingen van de Britten. De politieke intriges, de continue neiging tot improviseren. „Vaak is het: we will cross that bridge when we get there. De voorbereidingen op een No Deal zijn bijvoorbeeld ook gewoon verschrikkelijk slecht. Dat heeft daar allemaal mee te maken. In Nederland zijn we heel ver, hebben we dat goed geregeld. Als ik ze daar iets over probeer te vertellen, dan luisteren ze vaak niet eens.”


Veel mensen, in Europa en in het VK, zien de ERG als extremisten die het hele proces gijzelen. Als zij voor Mays deal zouden stemmen en hun energie zouden richten op toekomstige handelsbesprekingen, is dit hele drama voorbij. Er wordt hen vaak verweten een partij binnen een partij te zijn. Zit u dat dwars?

„Nee, het zijn keurige mensen die gewoon voor vrijhandel zijn. Dat mag, hè? Maar ze hebben een vreselijk slecht imago inderdaad. In Nederland en de rest van Europa wordt gedacht: dat zijn diehards, radicalen. Ik zeg ook wel eens tegen David Davis: ‘Ga nou eens wat aan pr doen op het continent, man. Nodig wat correspondenten uit, van NRC, Le Monde, de Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.’

Doet u eens een poging. Wat willen ze, in de kern?

„Zoals ik al zei: vrijhandel. Er zijn veel meer vrijhandelsakkoorden in de wereld dan dat er douane-unies zoals de EU zijn, dus gek is die gedachte niet. In Nederland zijn we wat socialer, keiharde vrijhandel à la Milton Friedman is ook niet mijn ding. Maar de EU is een project waar lobbygroepen en grote industrieën zeer veel invloed hebben. Via invoerrechten worden sommige sectoren ook heel goed afgeschermd.

Might interest you in this context: an interview with the Dutch customs expert of the ERG (Maessen) I read recently [I'll paste the original one in the spoiler; but I'll edit it a bit since it contains a lot of things that are irrelevant for this topic; trivia (e.g:why he likes fedoras), Brits wanting genetically modified food, the Ireland border (not the correct topic): basically he says the backstop isn't good because it's aimed too much towards the unity of the Irish island, not enough balance].

Aren't there any people in the U.K with knowledge of customs- and border issues?

There's a serious lack of knowledge concerning the matter in the U.K, this has cost them in the negotiations withe E.U. I always say: customs are not sexy. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't go searching for it. But it's a beautiful subject. A globally fine-tuned system, hyper-international and fully automatised. It's logistics, law, finance and taxation combined. It's very diverse. Full of dynamism. Look at Trump and China, Brexit: it's about goods, it's about customs".

Maessen is not a political idealist. Unlike the ERG he prefers to keep the U.K in the E.U. He's also not blind about the shortcomings of the Brits. Political intrigues, the continuous improvising. "A lot of the time it's: we will cross that bridge when we get there. Their preparations for a no deal Brexit are horrifically bad. A result of the former. In the Netherlands we're already very advanced in our preparations, we've done good. If I try to educate them (ERG) a bit about our preparations, they don't even listen"

[Concerning the ERG]

"They are not extremists. They are just huge proponents of free trade. That okay, isn't it? But they could do something about their PR yes.

What do they want?

"Like I said: free trade. There are more free trade agreements in the world than there are customs unions like the E.U, so it's not the most outlandish thought. In the Netherlands we're more social; unbridled free trade à la Milton Friedman is also not my cup of tea tbh. But the EU is a project that contains different lobby groups and is influenced by some big industries. So some sectors are very well protected by tariffs.
 
Don’t be silly. Everyone will want to trade with the UK. Why would anyone not want to.....

People can trade with the UK already Pete. We don't have a trade deal with America or China, yet trade between companies still happens. It's about making that trade easier, isn't it? As it is, you seem to be overlooking the fact that we are primarily a service-based economy, and in such an economy regulatory alignment is usually the main factor, and so there will inevitably be cooperation with others to produce that alignment, which in Brexit terms is being ruled by unelected bureaucrats. It's a fundamentally juvenile way of thinking in a glogalised world.
 
What on earth??

You don't seem to welcome insights into the future that don't meet your personal beliefs, so I wondered how far such an approach extended. Do you sniff at your doctor when he prescribes you medicines to keep you healthy or shrug your shoulders and take the bread and jam approach? I mean both weather forecasters and doctors are renowned for getting stuff wrong, so who needs them, right?
 
You don't seem to welcome insights into the future that don't meet your personal beliefs, so I wondered how far such an approach extended. Do you sniff at your doctor when he prescribes you medicines to keep you healthy or shrug your shoulders and take the bread and jam approach? I mean both weather forecasters and doctors are renowned for getting stuff wrong, so who needs them, right?
Good morning to you too mate.

Have a great friday
 
Whatever. We are all getting a bit fed up with the ROI and the EU intransigence. What will be will be....
This is a wonderful post:

Stating a belief, only to be factually corrected, then dismiss it as not relevant and then blame someone else for the problems of your own creation.

All the while stating your own position as if it is inclusive of a wider consensus.
 
This is a wonderful post:

Stating a belief, only to be factually corrected, then dismiss it as not relevant and then blame someone else for the problems of your own creation.

All the while stating your own position as if it is inclusive of a wider consensus.
Saved me writing that. Never one to be bound by truth is Pete........
 
The UK's Brexit negotiating strategy in three posts

I believe the ‘backstop’ was a requirement demanded by the EU at the request of the ROI....why would the U.K. demand a backstop......
the UK needed to provide a mechanism for exiting the EU without jeopardizing the GFA. The backstop was their solution. The EU and Ireland agreed. They struck a deal.
Whatever. We are all getting a bit fed up with the ROI and the EU intransigence. What will be will be....
 
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