Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

It's funny isn't it? Marco Silva will likely get sacked for buying duff players, yet when the government are the buyer, it's always the supplier that's at fault. The fact is though that when we buy something from Carillion, we can go somewhere else if we're not happy. People are massively unhappy with this government and can do the square root of bugger all about it. Freeeeeedom.

They can vote them out.

The majority prefer this shambles. It's the democratic way.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They can vote them out.

The majority prefer this shambles. It's the democratic way.

That's kinda meaningless though isn't it? You have one vote out of tens of millions - your individual vote means nothing at all. It's like entering the lottery as part of a valid strategy for getting rich.

 

[orchard]

They can vote them out.

The majority prefer this shambles. It's the democratic way.

Not really, didn't the Spiv's get voted in by around 20pc of the voting population?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Not really, didn't the Spiv's get voted in by around 20pc of the voting population?

Apologies yes, I should have clarified this, but within the current democratic context they are the party that continues to hold government.

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's kinda meaningless though isn't it? You have one vote out of tens of millions - your individual vote means nothing at all. It's like entering the lottery as part of a valid strategy for getting rich.

Well yes, but equally any one individual voting for the Tories is only one individual.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Newsnight appear to have found Joe's spirit animal

 

[Tubey]

Apparently it's perfectly fine to just blatantly lie all the time now about everything.

Strange.

 

[Armel]

What's the context of the De Gauwe comment. Is he talking as though it's in the UK's best interests (financially, socially, public cohesion) or from the perspective of the EU?

That clause will be an interesting one given the UK position on contract frustration set by the European Medicines Agency* but also, there is not a legal definition for 'Brexit' (in fact Brexit means Brexit is particularly meaningless when trying to understand it in regard to interference in the functioning of a contractual agreement - as it may be a number of factors that are the cause). You would have to address specific risks and draft those individually into the contract rather than a catch all 'Brexit Clause'. Granted, I know nothing about the contract, or the wording, it just seemed interesting in the wider context.

*Although UK law so not necessarily relevant in EU.

Oh that first comment was somewhere around November/December if I remember correctly. According to him it's the only way to calm the political demons that are currently running havoc in the U.K. He clarified by saying that politically it is probably the least harmful option because it creates clarity. Off course he agreed that from an economical point of view it will hurt (especially for the weaker segments in society). He also spoke about double tongued British politicians poisoning the political climate with lies, and how not only the Conservatives excel in incompetence but also Labour. Box of Pandora: British politics is increasingly poisoned by populism. Political opponents no longer consider each other as opponents but as enemies and traitors of British patriotism. Everybody is trying to delegitimize everybody. It's very wide-spread: different parties and different splinter-groups, cordon sanitaires all round. Every opponent is an enemy of the people; resulting in a tremendous amount of negative powers that threaten British democracy. In short.

But he also believes that it's in the best interest of the E.U, even before the referendum.

Well the clause is valid under Belgian law. U.K law has no power here in this case; simple employment contract (with no different places of work across the Union, no choice etc …) so no Rome I regulation (as ever the U.K originally refused to be a part of the regulation, as you can read in the protocol, but plot-twist then they suddenly decided to make use of their opt in – because presumably they suddenly realized that legal certainty might not be such a bad thing …).

I looked it up the last time since I wasn’t sure and because I have a particular interest in terms and conditions in the broad term (once wrote a paper about it). At the end of the day it probably doesn’t even matter; for a new arrival it’s atm in no way guaranteed that they’ll have a right of residence/to work after Brexit rendering the question about their employment contract useless.

I’m also not exactly sure if he would qualify under the immigration system for third countries, seeing I don’t think his profession is on the list of professions that lack people, could be wrong though too lazy to check.

 

[Frang]

Let's face it we are screwed when we leave the EU. Our entire governing class are a bunch of ignorant, arrogant, incompetant biffs.

Will your standard of life be greatly affected??

 

[Frang]

Trying to find reliable impartial info on Brexit via the web is very difficult. Almost everything seems to carry a bias one way or the other. But I think I have gotten to the bottom of it.

The EU plans financial commitments in 7 year cycles. The current one finishes at the end of 2020. So the 7 year period that Bruce's tweet referred to must have been 2014-2020. If we leave with a deal any planned investment in this country will continue until then. Given that there is so little time left in the current financial cycle I'm quite honestly staggered why our rumoured divorce bill is as high as £39b. But that's another matter.

It's possible that the UK may request and pay to be part of the EU structural funding schemes as part of it's negotiations to get a good trade deal. If not, the Govt has committed to replacing the EU funding from 2021 with a new UK fund of which no details has yet been announced. But the £1.5b bung is completely separate, so comparisons made in Bruce's posted tweet are both misleading and inaccurate.

Bruce is a very lob sided poster when it comes to remaining..

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Will your standard of life be greatly affected??

Shut it Frank!

 

[Frang]

Shut it Frank!

What sort of a reply is that.

I asked a genuine question

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

What sort of a reply is that.

I asked a genuine question

Of course my life will be affected by a no deal Brexit. Especially with Tory whoppers like Chris Grayling and Liam Fox at the helm.

 

[Frang]

Of course my life will be affected by a no deal Brexit. Especially with Tory whoppers like Chris Grayling and Liam Fox at the helm.

I cant see as anything much will change.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I cant see as anything much will change.

The thought of Liam Fox negotiating WTO deals frightens me nearly as much as that other whopper Grayling being in charge of our transport infrastructure.

Some people won’t be affected for sure but for the majority there is s lot of pain on the horizon.

BMW, Peugeot and Toyota threatening to pull out of the UK now.