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That's @Bruce Wayne now is it not?..... lol
I will vote for insurance and road tax on cyclists too.......
There is nothing big headed in admitting I don't understand what you are saying.
If anything, I've given you the opportunity to clarify and instead you've dodged and avoided.
Barnfred 55
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So basically, you are totally against the May deal even though you have no idea what it involves because it doesn't really interest you. Otherwise read as, I only want remain and to hell with everything else.
I wouldn't have a problem with that if you didn't go on so much about "no deal Brexit". If we do end up with a no deal Brexit (which I personally don't think we will) it will be as much the blame of the Remainer MPs as it would the Tory hard liners.
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Ah. I see you already have.
May's deal isn't a deal, as the video aptly explained. That is largely still to be negotiated. It covers the Irish backstop, which isn't really something that interests me a great deal. This is merely the first part of a long journey, with the Irish border the main sticking point.
Opponents to the deal have disagreed with the backstop, but also the fact that for the 2 year negotiating window, Britain would abide by rules it has no say in. Of course that would be nice, but I've never regarded the EU as out to shaft us like most Brexiters so the sovereignty argument was never an issue for me. I'm also not sure what people really expected to be any different?
It also covers the final 'divorce settlement', which again, if Britain is to maintain any kind of international reputation should, and is as per the May deal, a foregone conclusion.
By all means check it out for yourself though - https://assets.publishing.service.g..._and_the_European_Atomic_Energy_Community.pdf
Carl O'Ancelotti
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Good luck with that.The last time we spoke in here @Joey66 you effectively said 'you lost get over it' to a point I was agreeing with you on lol
Maybe read the content rather than assuming a position.
Also, if you think the debate is a lecture, you should try to counter the argument with your own opinions and evidence rather than running away.
Honestly? It's ok by me. It is how democracy ought to work if we are not leaving it to the elected representatives to decide. I don't think those who campaigned for 40 years to leave the EEC and EU regarded the 1975 referendum as decisive, did they? It should end with political parties standing for leave or remain - to accept or reject whatever is what HMG says is the best deal available, or to take the Russian roulette no deal option - and that's your lot.
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I honestly don't see why they should have offered extra concessions to Cameron when he couldn't even be bothered to implement the current rules to begin with. Always concessions/opt-outs etc, people are/were very tired of the constant British particularism. Sometimes enough is enough. I dare you; pick out a random European regulation and try and see if there is a British opt-out or similar. Now he wanted concessions for his party politics etc. The referendum (or something similar) was predicted, some just didn't want to see it. The backstop is a good deal btw; a lot of things in there that aren't exactly in the interest of the E.U either - so dragging it out isn't very likely. Those senior European politicians were just translating what people are thinking. Come on now, if you're confronted with people who lie/display various degrees of incompetence during a long period of time you're going to say something crude too.
And this is coming from a European; borderline federalist. I'm going to London tomorrow, if somebody there asks me what I think about Brexit I'm going to say something similar (remain isn't sustainable/there is no broad support for that/pick another option). Seriously no hard feelings, but it just wouldn't work.
As people have asked for a brief version of the withdrawal agreement, the ever useful Commons library have obliged.
researchbriefings.parliament.uk
The UK's EU Withdrawal Agreement
This briefing looks in detail at the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated between the EU and UK and finalised on 14 November 2018. It was endorsed by EU Member State leaders at a special European Council summit on 25 November and the UK Prime Minister promoted it in the UK Parliament and around the...
researchbriefings.parliament.uk
Carl O'Ancelotti
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Surprised to hear this from an ardent Remainer as it is the only reason why Brexit hasn't been agreed yet.
'Maintaining cross-border cooperation, supporting the all-island economy and protecting the Good Friday peace agreement.'
Those are the reasons why it is an even bigger deal for us in Ireland than it is for you in the UK.
For sure, I get that it's a big deal for many, but I'm a pacifist by nature so never really got why there was such angst between the two communities in the first place. That's not to say it's not a big deal, it's just not something I've focused limited time on exploring in depth. Israel and Palestine is another. I think being in the EU offers us a vast amount, and if it contributes towards peace in Ireland as well then that's great, but it's not my main reason for believing we're better off in.
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