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Ive had a little kip on the sofa, Wild angels Peter Fonda, im going to google to find this joke in the passage of time.
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Between you and I, I had a fairly good idea what it meant but had to look it up just to make sure
. It's certainly a word that could see a lot of usage in this thread that's for sure.I wouldn't ask or expect you to agree with me on Brexit matters mate. All I ask is the opportunity for a reasonable discussion on the matter, preferably without somebody jumping down my throat. Given the usual exchanges in here are with Pete, one never knows what sort of reception to expect.
If you have been taking in my recent posts you'll know I completely remove myself from the Leave campaign antics. It was amateurish, filled with lies and, at times, cringeworthy such as the bus. I wasn't aware it involved acts of criminality though. Maybe you can expand on that. That doesn't alter my view on the government scare mongering though as the two things are different issues.
No I don't follow either Johnson or Farage. Both are better suited to being Spitting Image puppets IMO. Johnson especially is an idiot who is just looking out for himself. At least Farage I think acted/campaigned for something he believed in, even if his tactics were sometimes a little bit dubious. Hardly a statesman is helol.
As for who are "my guys" to take this forward, that's a difficult one. Sadly it has to be a current MP and none of these are covering themselves in glory at the moment. I quite like the way Moggy handles himself and I reckon he would be good in a negotiation. But he's a bit too right wing for me and I couldn't put somebody in charge who took such a casual view on a No deal Brexit. Michael Grove is a total snake and I wouldn't have him anywhere near the negotiation table as I would Boris Johnson. Davies has already shown he isn't upto the task. I don't like what Jeremy Hunt did with the junior doctors when he was heath secretary. Dominic Raab may be a possibility. I think he was hamstrung as Brexit secretary by a combination of May's weak leadership and the legacy left by Davies. The other one who has impressed whenever I've seen him is Sajid Javid, but even he's blotted his copybook with the handling of the ISIS girl, which is, IMO, such obvious political posturing.
At the moment we have a remainer in charge of Brexit and a Brexiteer in charge of the opposition. No wonder it's been a farce from day 1.
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It's not intended as a kids book, it was intended as her masterpiece to her philosophy. Now it may be terrible and seem juvenile, but there are people who genuinely prescribe to objectivism and Libertarianism who treat her work as groundbreaking and highly influencial to their world veiw.
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That's easy for you to say. I got a headache just reading itlol
Along with you and @edge (it's a bit unclear for me if you voted leave or not) it's really good to get a sensible perspective on Leave.
Between you and I, I had a fairly good idea what it meant but had to look it up just to make sure
I wouldn't ask or expect you to agree with me on Brexit matters mate. All I ask is the opportunity for a reasonable discussion on the matter, preferably without somebody jumping down my throat. Given the usual exchanges in here are with Pete, one never knows what sort of reception to expect.
If you have been taking in my recent posts you'll know I completely remove myself from the Leave campaign antics. It was amateurish, filled with lies and, at times, cringeworthy such as the bus. I wasn't aware it involved acts of criminality though. Maybe you can expand on that. That doesn't alter my view on the government scare mongering though as the two things are different issues.
No I don't follow either Johnson or Farage. Both are better suited to being Spitting Image puppets IMO. Johnson especially is an idiot who is just looking out for himself. At least Farage I think acted/campaigned for something he believed in, even if his tactics were sometimes a little bit dubious. Hardly a statesman is helol.
As for who are "my guys" to take this forward, that's a difficult one. Sadly it has to be a current MP and none of these are covering themselves in glory at the moment. I quite like the way Moggy handles himself and I reckon he would be good in a negotiation. But he's a bit too right wing for me and I couldn't put somebody in charge who took such a casual view on a No deal Brexit. Michael Grove is a total snake and I wouldn't have him anywhere near the negotiation table as I would Boris Johnson. Davies has already shown he isn't upto the task. I don't like what Jeremy Hunt did with the junior doctors when he was heath secretary. Dominic Raab may be a possibility. I think he was hamstrung as Brexit secretary by a combination of May's weak leadership and the legacy left by Davies. The other one who has impressed whenever I've seen him is Sajid Javid, but even he's blotted his copybook with the handling of the ISIS girl, which is, IMO, such obvious political posturing.
At the moment we have a remainer in charge of Brexit and a Brexiteer in charge of the opposition. No wonder it's been a farce from day 1.
I don't prescribe to the 'they're all think or racist' spouters as I've seen people who voted remain blindly follow things which are absolutely absurd to try to prove their point.
Personally I voted Remain on the basis that I think it's economically preferably to be in the EU, Even though I don't like many aspects of the EU.
I know that people vote on principle rather than having an in depth knowledge of a particular subject (it's very difficult to be informed enough across all political affairs) but I fail to understand the rationale of people unwilling to budge on issues in a refusal to admit that first time round they might have been misinformed or weren't fully aware of the implications.
Of you know what you voted for fine but I think people voted largely to make laws in this country and because if you have nothing, which I firmly lady at the door of Austerity, the plight of Goldman Sachs or the best stock market doesn't related to you and the gamble to potentially be better off doesn't seem too bad. Unfortunately the people that will be worse hit in this scenario are exactly those people, as in times of hardship the sword will fall hardest on them, the Tories will make sure of that.
That's easy for you to say. I got a headache just reading itlol
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I'm not surprised. It's an interesting read Atlas Shrugged, but a large amount of scepticism should be applied.
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I voted leave but it was a difficult choice for me. I could see benefits and negatives in both options, and I can hand on heart say that when I entered the polling station and opened the paper, I still hadn't made my mind up which way to vote.
As it happened my wife was strongly in favour of leave, so I felt it would be best for the good of my marriage if I voted the same way.
Both Javid and Raab are a shambles. Javid is desperate to be PM and has spent his entire time as Home Secretary being more reactionary than Theresa May (and that's saying something) in an effort to garner favor with a racist right wing press to compensate for his Pakistani heritage and a belief that he's Muslim.
Between you and I, I had a fairly good idea what it meant but had to look it up just to make sure
I wouldn't ask or expect you to agree with me on Brexit matters mate. All I ask is the opportunity for a reasonable discussion on the matter, preferably without somebody jumping down my throat. Given the usual exchanges in here are with Pete, one never knows what sort of reception to expect.
If you have been taking in my recent posts you'll know I completely remove myself from the Leave campaign antics. It was amateurish, filled with lies and, at times, cringeworthy such as the bus. I wasn't aware it involved acts of criminality though. Maybe you can expand on that. That doesn't alter my view on the government scare mongering though as the two things are different issues.
No I don't follow either Johnson or Farage. Both are better suited to being Spitting Image puppets IMO. Johnson especially is an idiot who is just looking out for himself. At least Farage I think acted/campaigned for something he believed in, even if his tactics were sometimes a little bit dubious. Hardly a statesman is helol.
As for who are "my guys" to take this forward, that's a difficult one. Sadly it has to be a current MP and none of these are covering themselves in glory at the moment. I quite like the way Moggy handles himself and I reckon he would be good in a negotiation. But he's a bit too right wing for me and I couldn't put somebody in charge who took such a casual view on a No deal Brexit. Michael Grove is a total snake and I wouldn't have him anywhere near the negotiation table as I would Boris Johnson. Davies has already shown he isn't upto the task. I don't like what Jeremy Hunt did with the junior doctors when he was heath secretary. Dominic Raab may be a possibility. I think he was hamstrung as Brexit secretary by a combination of May's weak leadership and the legacy left by Davies. The other one who has impressed whenever I've seen him is Sajid Javid, but even he's blotted his copybook with the handling of the ISIS girl, which is, IMO, such obvious political posturing.
At the moment we have a remainer in charge of Brexit and a Brexiteer in charge of the opposition. No wonder it's been a farce from day 1.
Raab is an utter clown and a charlatan..
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I'm not surprised. It's an interesting read Atlas Shrugged, but a large amount of scepticism should be applied.
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First time I saw that word I didn't have a clue what it meant so I looked it up. And to be honest I wasn't much the wiser. The best I could come up with is that it could be what you wanted it to be. If that makes sense.
And I haven't even heard of Atlas Shrugged so I'll leave hat for another day.
First time I saw that word I didn't have a clue what it meant so I looked it up. And to be honest I wasn't much the wiser. The best I could come up with is that it could be what you wanted it to be. If that makes sense.
And I haven't even heard of Atlas Shrugged so I'll leave hat for another day.
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Both fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are Ayn Rand novels, who was the subject of the initial Libertarianism discussion.
Probably best to leave it as is massively off topic lol
[Withdrawn] Implications for business and trade of a no deal exit on 29 March 2019
This document explains the Government’s latest assessment of the implications for business and international trade in the UK, if it leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March.
A little bedtime reading for everyone.
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Welcome back Wayne
Incidentally, whilst it's relatively small beer as only 8,000 or so Brits live there, the Czechs have guaranteed the rights of British citizens in the event of no deal.
Confirmed: Brits in the Czech Republic to have two years’ protection under hard Brexit
British nationals living in the Czech Republic will have the same rights as EU citizens until the end of 2020 in case of a hard Brexitnews.expats.cz
I think most sensible countries will do exactly the same......
GATT Article XXIV[Withdrawn] Implications for business and trade of a no deal exit on 29 March 2019
This document explains the Government’s latest assessment of the implications for business and international trade in the UK, if it leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March.www.gov.uk
A little bedtime reading for everyone.
14. One argument that has been put forward in relation to our future economic
relationship with the EU is that the UK can simply rely on the provisions under
Article XXIV of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) to have tariff-
free trade with the EU for a ten-year period. This is a misunderstanding of what the
rules are. As the Secretary of State for International Trade told the House of
Commons on 14 January this year:
Some have suggested that it would be possible under Article XXIV of the General
Agreement on Tariffs and Trade to maintain tariff-free trade as an alternative to the
negotiated agreement in a no-deal scenario. There are two immediate problems
facing that suggestion. The first is that it would require the agreement of the EU and
be based on the expectation of a future trade agreement or customs union to be
operable in WTO law. Although it might be argued, as I am sure many in the House
would, that that would be in the economic interests of the EU27, we all know from
experience that the politics of the EU can take precedence over economic
pragmatism. In the political atmosphere of no deal, it would be difficult to cultivate
the good will necessary for that to proceed. Secondly, that suggestion would not
deal with all the regulatory issues—the non-tariff barriers—that are so important to
many businesses.
just to clarify that Chestnut.
Do you include Spain, France, Ireland and Germany in those?
Sorry. I've would be ok with another vote: that is democracy.Agree with all that. But it didn't answer the questions I asked.
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