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[Barnfred 55]

Or the project fear card

I actually agree with you. I think it's trite (ironically an accusation you recently threw at me) as are many of the "cards" used by the Remain side. It's a phrase I have used occasionally but usually only when I'm responding to somebody who also used it.

I actually have no problem with the Govt taking sides here. If they believe remain was best for the country then I see no reason why they shouldn't support it. Likewise I had no issue with big corporations advising their workforce to vote remain if they felt staying in the EU would benefit their company.

But there's no doubt that the govt did over exaggerate some of the downsides of leaving the EU, which for all intents and purposes amounts to scare mongering. To a degree I'm happy to turn a blind eye to this because it was so obvious that people with any sense would just ignore it. Similar to the lies coming out of the Leave campaign.

But the Govt must have spent a lot of money on their remain campaign. I think this money would have been spent more fairly had they published a brochure which explained the potential benefits AND pitfalls of both leaving the EU and remaining. Had they done so and stayed broadly impartial in the whole lead up to the referendum, it would have ensured that people were given enough information to make their own minds up. Maybe even ended up with different result.

 

[Jebus_lives]

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Fair dos lol It's a bit of a kids book so it's probably quite reflective (of both advocate and critic) if anyone takes it seriously. All it is is an attempt to shoehorn a rather crude and clumsy philosophy into a badly written story. It should be to philosophy what the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe is to theology, but hey ho.



On the first one, I have concerns about how poverty is measured in the UK, as I don't think the relative measure that is commonly deployed is right at all. My brother (in the UK) is technically living in poverty as his income isn't very high, yet lives in a new 2-bed house, drives a sports car with ample gadgets and wotnot. My sister-in-law (in Czech), has 4 people living in a 3-room flat and sleeps under a blanket donated by the Red Cross, yet isn't classified as living in poverty (and incidentally, neither regard themselves as such either).

With your second link, that is highlighting an outcome, where your presumed solution is automatically 'more government'. It's a simplistic answer that allows people who want to have a passing degree of umbrage to satisfy that desire without having to bother themselves in exploring it any further. If it works for you, then by all means.

It's not intended as a kids book, it was intended as her masterpiece to her philosophy. Now it may be terrible and seem juvenile, but there are people who genuinely prescribe to objectivism and Libertarianism who treat her work as groundbreaking and highly influencial to their world veiw.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not intended as a kids book, it was intended as her masterpiece to her philosophy. Now it may be terrible and seem juvenile, but there are people who genuinely prescribe to objectivism and Libertarianism who treat her work as groundbreaking and highly influencial to their world veiw.

Far be it for me to judge other folk, but in the canon of liberal thinkers, she's some way below guys like JS Mill, Adam Smith, de Tocqueville, FA Hayek, Schumpeter and even Friedman. Like I said, if people are using her either to laud or bash liberalism, it probably says more about them than anything else.

She's more akin to Jordan Pieterson.

 

[Walken]

I actually agree with you. I think it's trite (ironically an accusation you recently threw at me) as are many of the "cards" used by the Remain side. It's a phrase I have used occasionally but usually only when I'm responding to somebody who also used it.

I actually have no problem with the Govt taking sides here. If they believe remain was best for the country then I see no reason why they shouldn't support it. Likewise I had no issue with big corporations advising their workforce to vote remain if they felt staying in the EU would benefit their company.

But there's no doubt that the govt did over exaggerate some of the downsides of leaving the EU, which for all intents and purposes amounts to scare mongering. To a degree I'm happy to turn a blind eye to this because it was so obvious that people with any sense would just ignore it. Similar to the lies coming out of the Leave campaign.

But the Govt must have spent a lot of money on their remain campaign. I think this money would have been spent more fairly had they published a brochure which explained the potential benefits AND pitfalls of both leaving the EU and remaining. Had they done so and stayed broadly impartial in the whole lead up to the referendum, it would have ensured that people were given enough information to make their own minds up. Maybe even ended up with different result.

I did, and I've seen you enjoying its use Barny ever since, be nice to think amongst the utter guff I write on here that I've had a tiny influence.

It's made for interesting reading seeing yourself and edge offer a different narrative from the leave perspective, while I still don't agree with a lot of it its been good to see reasonable arguments presented. But regards the campaigns from both side, it really is only leave who have been linked with a criminal element. Myself personally, I work in europe a lot so it was an easy decision for me to make both on personal circumstance and as a general ethos remain was always going to be my choice, as a result of that I didn't bother with the debates or campaigns all that much, but as an outsider looking in it certainly felt like leave were barking loudest, the campaign had a very nasty element to it that made me uncomfortable. As a result leave has an image problem that makes it hard to bridge the gap between the two, and I would be very interested to hear your opinion on the leave campaign to offer a different perspective, who are 'your guys' when it comes to brexit, I certainly can't imagine you nodding along to farage or johnson.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Far be it for me to judge other folk, but in the canon of liberal thinkers, she's some way below guys like JS Mill, Adam Smith, de Tocqueville, FA Hayek, Schumpeter and even Friedman. Like I said, if people are using her either to laud or bash liberalism, it probably says more about them than anything else.

She's more akin to Jordan Pieterson.

Let's not confused liberalism and Libertarianism. They are very different concepts. Likewise economic liberalism and social Liberalism.

Anyway... Back to Brexit.

What about DHL getting the medicines contact, eh?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Let's not confused liberalism and Libertarianism. They are very different concepts. Likewise economic liberalism and social Liberalism.

Anyway... Back to Brexit.

What about DHL getting the medicines contact, eh?

@roydo to the rescue.

 

[Walken]

Let's not confused liberalism and Libertarianism. They are very different concepts. Likewise economic liberalism and social Liberalism.

Anyway... Back to Brexit.

What about DHL getting the medicines contact, eh?

be great when they start leaving parcels of valuable medicine behind a garden fence out in the rain

 

[Bruce Wayne]

be great when they start leaving parcels of valuable medicine behind a garden fence out in the rain

DC Fridges, Freezers

www.bimblesolar.com

Just in case anyone wants to stick one outside their door for @roydo to use (mentioning no names Joey66)

 

[JimmyJeffers]

DC Fridges, Freezers

www.bimblesolar.com

Just in case anyone wants to stick one outside their door for @roydo to use (mentioning no names Joey66)

Uh oh

 

[Jebus_lives]

be great when they start leaving parcels of valuable medicine behind a garden fence out in the rain

Haha

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Let's not confused liberalism and Libertarianism. They are very different concepts. Likewise economic liberalism and social Liberalism.

If I had penny for everytime a libertarian described themselves as liberal purely on their social outlook of subscribing, free to be want you be... I could fund a functioning state.


Are KFC going to be dispensing medications or something, lots of bargan buckets things going around. Is this what as meant as free trade after Brexit?

https://www.kfc.co.uk/


See Mays bigotry has got the better of her, again. By sacking Alberto Costo.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If I had penny for everytime a libertarian described themselves as liberal purely on their social outlook of subscribing, free to be want you be... I could fund a functioning state.

@COYBL25 I fear you've been underemployed of late, so maybe you could assist?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, whilst it's relatively small beer as only 8,000 or so Brits live there, the Czechs have guaranteed the rights of British citizens in the event of no deal.

Confirmed: Brits in the Czech Republic to have two years’ protection under hard Brexit

British nationals living in the Czech Republic will have the same rights as EU citizens until the end of 2020 in case of a hard Brexit

news.expats.cz

 

[COYBL25]

@COYBL25 I fear you've been underemployed of late, so maybe you could assist?

I think he has borrowed part of a quote from the biker film - Wild Angels, starring Peter Fonda.

One of the memorable quotes from the film was spoken by Peter Fonda :

" We wanna be free, we wanna be free to do what we wanna do and we wanna get loaded "

It was also used as the intro to the song" Loaded " by Primal Scream.

* In other words he is trying to be a smart arse.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If I had penny for everytime a libertarian described themselves as liberal purely on their social outlook of subscribing, free to be want you be... I could fund a functioning state.


Are KFC going to be dispensing medications or something, lots of bargan buckets things going around. Is this what as meant as free trade after Brexit?

https://www.kfc.co.uk/


See Mays bigotry has got the better of her, again. By sacking Alberto Costo.

Sajid Javid reckons the government is supporting that amendment.