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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Barnfred 55 said:
As I said, I can't remember the specifics so it may not actually have been as high 40%. But it was a high figure and I remember somebody saying they expected the value of the euro to be higher than sterling. Most of the claims I'm referring to were made in statements from key Government people like Cameron, Osborne and Carney. Some were speeches and others written articles endorsing one report or another.

I didn't take a great deal of notice of Leave campaign claims or forecasts, and have never even heard of the one you referred to above. But "Project Fear", as it became known, wasn't a myth. Both sides were as bad as each other IMO and nobody presented a situation whereby they went through the pros and cons of both sides. They were either for or against, and it laid the foundations for what is now, in my mind, a largely irretrievable position.
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Mark Carney is not a 'government person' he is the governor of the Bank of England. Now I know there is a relationship between the BofE and government, but the governor is not in government. The BofE has had operational independence since 1997.

Goldman Sachs predicted a recession and the Treasury were particularly bold in their claims, but they were largely long term predictions towards 2030.

Much of the problem, I concede, around Remain, was a desire to translate the predictions as reality, but this was also done quite deliberately by Leave.

Such as 'Mark Carney is promoting hysteria' and citing 'haha, the predictions have not come true' when they were merely predict ion, largely on a long term basis. We actually haven't left yet.
 
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just watching this rabble we have in parliament , what a shower , tess droning on , jezza well god knows what he was going on about sounded like a wish list as a deal he was proposing, then i scanned the labour front bench well sadly i couldn't see anything to inspire me at all, and understood why those two people i was having a go at yesterday about not voting labour were going on about, place is infested by gobshites on a level not seen anywhere outside of the kop anywhere else in the world i suspect.
 
edge said:
just watching this rabble we have in parliament , what a shower , tess droning on , jezza well god knows what he was going on about sounded like a wish list as a deal he was proposing, then i scanned the labour front bench well sadly i couldn't see anything to inspire me at all, and understood why those two people i was having a go at yesterday about not voting labour were going on about, place is infested by gobshites on a level not seen anywhere outside of the kop anywhere else in the world i suspect.
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Where's Guido Fawkes when you need him?
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Mark Carney is not a 'government person' he is the governor of the Bank of England. Now I know there is a relationship between the BofE and government, but the governor is not in government. The BofE has had operational independence since 1997.

Goldman Sachs predicted a recession and the Treasury were particularly bold in their claims, but they were largely long term predictions towards 2030.

Much of the problem, I concede, around Remain, was a desire to translate the predictions as reality, but this was also done quite deliberately by Leave.

Such as 'Mark Carney is promoting hysteria' and citing 'haha, the predictions have not come true' when they were merely predict ion, largely on a long term basis. We actually haven't left yet.
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Disagree re the BoE mate. I agree it is a non-political organisation, but I still consider it to be an important cog in the "wider" government in much the same way as the civil service is. The purpose of granting it "independence" in 1998 was purely so it could set monetary policy, ie interest rate levels, which hitherto was the remit of the Chancellor and therefore subject to political nuances. A masterstroke by Mr Brown in my opinion.

Yeah, I accept we haven't actually left yet, and I covered that in my original post. They were giving the impression that are sufferings would begin from day 1. Or that how I recollect it anyway.

If we leave with no deal it's possible that you could get close to some of those predictions. The fact that we are even still talking about no deal at this stage is a legacy of the disgraceful management of Brexit by Theresa May and her Government, coupled with an element of intransigence by the Europeans. But, as I've been saying for days, I just don't think there is the political will from either side for a no deal Brexit, as we saw from Mrs May this afternoon.
 
edge said:
just watching this rabble we have in parliament , what a shower , tess droning on , jezza well god knows what he was going on about sounded like a wish list as a deal he was proposing, then i scanned the labour front bench well sadly i couldn't see anything to inspire me at all, and understood why those two people i was having a go at yesterday about not voting labour were going on about, place is infested by gobshites on a level not seen anywhere outside of the kop anywhere else in the world i suspect.
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I think Brexit has shown that the lot of them are not fit for purpose mate. And when you throw in the Lords it gets even worse.

I think the political system in this country needs a complete overhaul. No idea what to do with it like. A lot of people say we should give proportional representation a go, but we'd just end up with a hung parliament which is one of the main reasons we're in this mess now. At least it would keep a lid on Nicola Sturgeonlol.

Apologies if there's any Scottish separatists in here. It was just a joke.
 
edge said:
we could do with a general election soon, clear the air in parliament, make them all go to the electorate and say what they stand for or against
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Yes whatever happens now that should be the next course an election, "simples". And do away with fixed term Parliament act as well, probably only second to the referendum as awful act of governments that has been bestowed on UK democracy in recent times.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I think Brexit has shown that the lot of them are not fit for purpose mate. And when you throw in the Lords it gets even worse.

I think the political system in this country needs a complete overhaul. No idea what to do with it like. A lot of people say we should give proportional representation a go, but we'd just end up with a hung parliament which is one of the main reasons we're in this mess now. At least it would keep a lid on Nicola Sturgeonlol.

Apologies if there's any Scottish separatists in here. It was just a joke.
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First thing I would do is get them to live in the area they are supposed to represent,stop all the 2nd mortgage/2nd living quarters,have them work in the community daily and use conference facilities to attend to parlimentary matters
 
jaycee said:
First thing I would do is get them to live in the area they are supposed to represent,stop all the 2nd mortgage/2nd living quarters,have them work in the community daily and use conference facilities to attend to parlimentary matters
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Think tanks, Education charities or whatever nefarious title they want to give lobby groups needs close attention, maybe banned.
 
jaycee said:
First thing I would do is get them to live in the area they are supposed to represent,stop all the 2nd mortgage/2nd living quarters,have them work in the community daily and use conference facilities to attend to parlimentary matters
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this should be mandatory.

how can you represent , say huyton, yet live in Berkshire??

it makes no sense. but, then again, non if it is sensical
 
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