Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Aberblue]

May has said she will stand down before the next election part of the deal when they had the no confidence vote.

Mrs May's word cannot be depended upon. Remember she said that there'd be no election in 2017?

 

[tim cahill]

There will NEVER be a second referendum. NEVER.

I wouldn’t be so sure. If MPs don’t want May’s deal or no deal then surely a 2nd referendum is the only way?!

 

[davek]

This U turn by Corbyn is disgraceful really, Brexit was in his manifesto. May should call a general election and wipe him out.........

Actually, a platform to fight against a no deal outcome was the main thrust of the LP Brexit position in that last manifesto.

IMO, it's wrong to run a second referendum (and wont anyway, and Corbyn knows this is all froth). A democratic vote has to be honoured.

However, Corbyn's position both in terms of the last manifesto and since the LP conference has been consistent.

 

[edge]

I hope so mate but if Brexit doesn't happen I think its back on for him.

He will be a cheer leader for the Brexit argument , plus he can ramp up the establishment are against you noise , but the moves at local level of an influx of new members into the Tories , I posted about this month's ago, will see them once they go into action to select there choice of MPs the Tories party will be UKIP light.
Labour going for the second referndum will alienate a lot of leave voters, making it even harder to win( today I have already had two discussion's with people who said they will not vote labour in the next election, don't know whether they were winding me up, but they said for the first time in there lives they would vote Tory,) I am a leave supporter but vote Tory , no chance not for me anyway.

 

[Moomin]

6th of June general election.

 

[edge]

Mrs May's word cannot be depended upon. Remember she said that there'd be no election in 2017?

Tories are not daft, wish they were , they will ditch her if they see a chance to get in power again.

 

[orchard]

May has said she will stand down before the next election part of the deal when they had the no confidence vote.

May has said lots of things that have either never materialised or been open to broad interpretation mate.

 

[Jib in lad]

He will be a cheer leader for the Brexit argument , plus he can ramp up the establishment are against you noise , but the moves at local level of an influx of new members into the Tories , I posted about this month's ago, will see them once they go into action to select there choice of MPs the Tories party will be UKIP light.
Labour going for the second referndum will alienate a lot of leave voters, making it even harder to win( today I have already had two discussion's with people who said they will not vote labour in the next election, don't know whether they were winding me up, but they said for the first time in there lives they would vote Tory,) I am a leave supporter but vote Tory , no chance not for me anyway.

Good post, you are spot on about Kippers joining the Tory party and as for Labour going for a second referendum I agree it will be a disaster Corbyn knows this that why I think its unlikely.

I do believe Farage is hoping it doesn't happen though as he then becomes relevant again.

 

[wellillwill]

Once you've been suckered, it's easier to keep denying you were suckered than it is to admit someone tricked you.

 

[Socrates]

All this fuss for a sovereign ring.

They were pretty naff in the 80s.

Why would anyone want one now?

 

[Barnfred 55]

@Barnfred 55
The point is, the risks, which the government highlighted, in their leaflet, weren't time limited. It was entirely sourced, which were referenced for scrutiny. The point about collusion stands, regardless of what you think, as it's been challenged and rejected through the EC.

I'm not sure what 'benefits of leaving the EU' the government could reasonably priced forward in the leaflet that they didn't present.

I'm not being dismissive here, though I recognise I may be being too narrow in my veiw point. So, what specifically in the government leaflet are you pointing to that was factually incorrect or was an omission of benefit?

My issue isn't necessarily with the official leaflet which was more generic in its advice. It was more to do with statements, articles and endorsements of "findings" from numerous government officials leading upto the referendum. It was nearly 3 years ago so I can't remember specifics, but they were saying things like sterling could go down by upto 40% making prices upto 20% higher; stock market going down by upto 50% effecting peoples savings and pensions; that the country would go back into recession that would take years to recover from; inflation would be out of control forcing us to hike interest rates; unemployment would soar. Now they were telling us that this was going to start happening as soon as we made a decision to leave. They weren't saying this is what could happen if we left without a deal. In the event, sterling dropped by 10/15% and inflation gone up by 2/3%.

As regards benefits of leaving, I've gone over this in a few posts and not really motivated to repeat myself again. All I will say is, hand on heart, do you truly believe that there is not one possible benefit to the country of leaving the EC?

 

[Armel]

Calling for a second referendum might suit both parties. May can claim labour blocked the ‘will of the people’ without her having to go through a brexit she didn’t want to happen and which will dictate her legacy. labour can claim Tory incompetence in being unable to negotiate a suitable deal for leaving the eu which they also don’t want to happen. Everyone plays out a daft dance and we pretend the whole thing didn’t happen

It might suit both parties, but I'm quite sceptical that it's beneficial. Another enormous delay when everybody could be dealing with more pressing matters (and off course the Brexit fatigue; people just want clarity). I'm also not convinced it's in the interest of the remaining E.U states: having a member that is torn between the two - there won't be a land-slight remain victory. Possibly an even more difficult U.K. to deal with; please no.

 

[edge]

My issue isn't necessarily with the official leaflet which was more generic in its advice. It was more to do with statements, articles and endorsements of "findings" from numerous government officials leading upto the referendum. It was nearly 3 years ago so I can't remember specifics, but they were saying things like sterling could go down by upto 40% making prices upto 20% higher; stock market going down by upto 50% effecting peoples savings and pensions; that the country would go back into recession that would take years to recover from; inflation would be out of control forcing us to hike interest rates; unemployment would soar. Now they were telling us that this was going to start happening as soon as we made a decision to leave. They weren't saying this is what could happen if we left without a deal. In the event, sterling dropped by 10/15% and inflation gone up by 2/3%.

As regards benefits of leaving, I've gone over this in a few posts and not really motivated to repeat myself again. All I will say is, hand on heart, do you truly believe that there is not one possible benefit to the country of leaving the EC?

One benefit of leaving would be never hearing the word unicorn again in any context outside of little girls story books.
I immediately see it in the post and think oh fk somebody really thinks there being clever here.
Wonder what they have read on twitter/ Facebook today?
normally following on with some post that assumes they know what 17.4 million leave voting people are thinking right now.
I always think isn't it just amazing who would have thought it possible we have a real life proffesor x right here on GOT posting ,never fails to amaze me this place.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

One benefit of leaving would be never hearing the word unicorn again in any context outside of little girls story books.
I immediately see it in the post and think oh fk somebody really thinks there being clever here.
Wonder what they have read on twitter/ Facebook today?
normally following on with some post that assumes they know what 17.4 million leave voting people are thinking right now.
I always think isn't it just amazing who would have thought it possible we have a real life proffesor x right here on GOT posting ,never fails to amaze me this place.

In my world unicorn is a commonly used term to refer to a startup that grew to a £1bn valuation. Thankfully, Brexit will mean we won't have to utter it again even in that context

Oh, and without being facetious, I think we do have one or two professors on here. I think @abelard is one, and quite possibly @davek

 

[edge]

In my world unicorn is a commonly used term to refer to a startup that grew to a £1bn valuation. Thankfully, Brexit will mean we won't have to utter it again even in that context

Oh, and without being facetious, I think we do have one or two professors on here. I think @abelard is one, and quite possibly @davek

bet there are a few more on here, some clever blokes knocking about on GOT