agree mate , but that's the course we have been for months, she has just been going through the motions , listening to others ect , this has always been her planned course of action, expect news of some sort of breakthrough in the run up to it.
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My reason for thinking what I do is perhaps very different to many leavers but by holding a no deal Brexit to people’s heads she’s playing Russian roulette with jobs and lives .
Perils of posting early in the morning, it's actually 12 working days between the vote and leaving, which still seems pretty tight, but not quite as tight as I originally thought.
She doesn't care mate, to be truthful its all about her legacy to her at this stage, she will be gone as soon as this is over.
Not a fan of putting in a vote that doesn't give you the option of walking away, it weakens you bargaining power, you wouldn't do it in any other walk of life, say doing negotiation for a car/house, job ect ,if you take your brexit views out of the equation .
We aren't going out without a deal in reality or really getting anything other than a brexit in name only so i wouldn't be worried about no deal, a meaningful, brexit has been dead for months i have long since given up on it .
Like i have said despite being a brexit supporter, i would vote to remain rather than take Mays deal its just not a good deal no matter how she spins.
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It's still poo, and all on that arrogant over-promoted car park attendant .
0700hrs isn't early, and get your hands in some muck whilst you're at it.
It's still not enough. Absolutely absurd state of affairs.
When you listen to national leads for Brexit in their sector, they all hint that the Government did not start 'no deal' preparations until around January.
In fact a lot of the operational guidance for a number of sectors, such as health, was only produced in January. Mind boggling.
We are incredibly close to leaving with 'no deal', not because it's an option we decided upon or we've surmised that 'it'll be beneficial in the long run' but because we've completely failed to negotiate effectively and compromise in key areas while maintaining that the 'EU will blink first' and 'they're not going to want a no deal when it will damage them so much'.
The ability to negotiate and compromise is indeed true both with the EU and at home.
although i support brexit i have never been of the view that peoples remain views should have been ignored just because leave won the vote, there hasn't been any real will to take compromise on board politicly , one side doing anything to stop brexit the other willing to risk no deal to suit there agenda ,neither dealing with the reality of we have voted to leave, lets try at least to find some common ground going forward,
I know that would be hard but most things in life require a bit of compromise are politicians don't seem capable of grasping that concept.
Well said.
One thing I can't get my head around, is that the reaction the warnings and reservation of remain, seems to have pushed the country towards a no deal, which, only the absolute lunatics/profiteers are advocating for.
That's Boris at the Christmas party.
The EU have compromised pretty heavily to produce May's current deal. It only looks meagre when placed against the fantasy land expectations of the ERG loons.
Its gone tribal now neither side really listens to the other anymore or really discusses the issues with each other, mostly a load of soundbites and cheap media reactions.
No deal , well that shows how wedded politicians are to there own dogma both here and the EU rather than for the common good of people on both sides of the channel.
I know he isn't popular but thought Tom Watson spoke well on the issue yesterday, wants to remain but realized there are reasons that people voted out and wanted to address them going forward, first person for a while that didn't just say remain or stay and offered a way forward in his argument.
I think it goes quite a long way beyond that. I suspect that the individuals involved in the negotiation get on reasonably well and understand both what is healthy and what is achievable. The problem is that you've got those people on one hand who are party to all of the information pertaining to this situation, and then you've got the constituents Robbins is ostensibly speaking on behalf of, most of whom have practically none of the information pertaining to the situation, and when they're shown any dismiss it as project fear. The frustration comes when reasonable people have to appear (at least) to be doing very unreasonable things.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Tusk's opinion of the likes of Boris Johnson wasn't in large part driven by the willingness of Johnson to be so duplicitous to further his own career, as you've got a whole bunch of politicians enacting something they know to be disastrous, who are on record as saying it would be disastrous, and now try and pretend that it would be marvelous. I really don't know what level of psychosis makes such mental gymnastics possible, but it's fairly well established that sociopaths are more present in senior leadership positions than any other tranche of society, so it should perhaps come as no surprise.
The ERG wouldn't be happy with anything Bruce no matter what was on the table.
EU are trying to keep the union together first and foremost , don't blame them its only natural, and it must be truly frustrating trying to get a deal out of somebody that really doesn't know what they want half the time, well most of the time really.
Parliament should have got behind trying to find a UK stance from the day after the vote and agreed on it cross party basis before article 50 was invoked, instead the majority of them jumped to lets go out without a deal or lets stop brexit camps and any common sense went out the window.
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