Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Number_25 said:
It's absolutely unreal reading through the previous couple of pages here.

The vast majority of people that voted to leave the EU aren't thick, conversely the vast majority of people that voted to remain in the EU aren't thick either.

The post-referendum discussion has been an absolute cesspit, and I mostly blame the media for it. They all come from the same 2/3 Universities and have little understanding what real life is like, Brexit has given them an opportunity to feign understanding through polarising a vast array of opinions into binary soundbites.

It's pathetic and you're all playing a part in that.
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Excellent post mate.

As you intimated everything is black and white, all or nothing. There is no compromise whatsoever. It's almost impossible to have a reasonable discussion with anybody who voted differently to you. Not just on this forum but in general.

If you have read my previous posts you will know I voted to leave. I like to think I have a decent understanding of things generally and it was a very difficult decision for me whether to vote leave or remain because for me it was a very close choice. I never expected for a moment that leave would actually win, but neither did I expect the total balls up that the Government and Parliament would make of it. But basically I like to think I understood what I was voting for and saw through the lies and scaremongering being dished out by both sides if we're being honest.

I don't regret voting to leave because I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. Also the more I see of the ECs role in this the more I think it is an organisation I would rather be out of than in.

But I also now wish that the referendum had never taken place, as it has polarised the country so much that, whether we remain or leave, I fear it will take the country decades to recover from this. The vitriol in this thread is merely a symptom of that.

It's quite scary really.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
The Brexit deal that is on the table now is by all accounts a "soft" Brexit that will almost certainly see us stay within some sort of customs union. At worst (or best depending upon your view) the two sides could agree on a trade deal compromise before the backstop comes into play.

If this deal was accepted by Parliament, would your employment situation be more secure?
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I don't know to be honest mate. I only know our plant manager told us that we wouldn't survive if no deal is the outcome
 
I work as a coordinator for a company in the Industrial Gas sector, in Credit & Collections. Basically the team are tasked with getting the bills paid by the companies all over Ireland and the UK and resolving issues stopping payment.

In my 5 years doing it, I would say that previously for the majority of those 5yrs you would only occasionally hear things like "we are going into administration/liquidation" or "we have a cashflow issue and need to arrange a payment plan" or there was a regular flow of customers who just dont pay and the debt gets referred.

Since before Xmas this is now a daily conversation with companies in the UK. Just in my small area of the business world it's a difference of black and white what is happening in the last 3 months and what was the norm before that.

It's one thing reading articles on Brexit for years and following this thread, but seeing such a clear change from one week to the next in your job is crazy.....and of course thats without even mentioning the employees of all those companies.
 
edge said:
here is an article about it matehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/4548943/British-teenagers-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts-did-30-years-ago.html,
bit of a misleading headline though when you look further into it as when you factor in age your score goes up yearly till you around 15 then drops of for a period ,then rises up till 28.
thinking about it i wonder if technology has anything to do it with it as years ago people had to do maths ect in their head instead of on a computer, calculator ect so they may have been more adapt at this type of test?
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Technology has certainly helped to undermine the ability to do mental calculations, but I find that children today are far more imaginative, creative and questioning. They have also developed a confidence that certainly I never had, but that may be due to increased material wealth. My now six year old granddaughter, will confidently argue any issue with me, always asking why, and is also developing a first class approach to negotiating, which usually brings me to laughter (based I may say on my inability to win) based purely on logic. She certainly would put many on here in their place. I have yet to put her through an I.Q. Test, thinking I would leave it until she is about 10. But I fully expect her to put my 156 to shame. One of my children scored 172 but I think it was an aberration...
 
peteblue said:
Technology has certainly helped to undermine the ability to do mental calculations, but I find that children today are far more imaginative, creative and questioning. They have also developed a confidence that certainly I never had, but that may be due to increased material wealth. My now six year old granddaughter, will confidently argue any issue with me, always asking why, and is also developing a first class approach to negotiating, which usually brings me to laughter (based I may say on my inability to win) based purely on logic. She certainly would put many on here in their place. I have yet to put her through an I.Q. Test, thinking I would leave it until she is about 10. But I fully expect her to put my 156 to shame. One of my children scored 172 but I think it was an aberration...
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Don't bother. Seems completely unnecessary.
 
www.thetimes.co.uk

Institute of Directors hits out at fresh Brexit vote delay

Businesses have lost faith in the political process, the Institute of Directors warned as research revealed that confidence in the service sector is sinking at its fastest pace since the financial crisis.Responding to the government’s decision to delay a meaningful vote on the Brexit deal until as l
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk

Institute of Directors becoming increasingly more vocal about the implications of 'No Deal'
 
What I don't get about this 'meaningful vote' is that it's 7 days until we're supposed to leave. Surely there is waaay more legislation that would need to be passed off the back of that vote than could be passed in that 7 (5 days essentially) window?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
What I don't get about this 'meaningful vote' is that it's 7 days until we're supposed to leave. Surely there is waaay more legislation that would need to be passed off the back of that vote than could be passed in that 7 (5 days essentially) window?
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Hard to believe anyone could have made more of a mess of this than May/Spiv's, but of course their priority has been to control the internal outcomes on the other side.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
What I don't get about this 'meaningful vote' is that it's 7 days until we're supposed to leave. Surely there is waaay more legislation that would need to be passed off the back of that vote than could be passed in that 7 (5 days essentially) window?
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she is just running the clock down , hoping that as we get near people will back her deal in panic, to either stop a no deal or deliver brexit in some form while they have a chance.
 
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