Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

UK set to ditch overfishing safeguards, despite ‘green Brexit’ promise
Decision not to adopt EU legal duty to end overfishing from 2020 came after fishing interests asked for target to be watered down

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[Adam-GOTTV]

How do you know how long it will take ?.....

Are you in favour of no deal?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Really is great to see Rees-Mogg telling the PM to basically form a dictatorship to secure a no deal Brexit.

I don't want to hear "take back sovereignty" as an argument for Brexit ever again as a result.

Ask yourselves the motives for horrible people like him to want this Brexit. Do you really think it's to grow Britain and help the working class?

Or could it be, just maybe, that he intends to personally profit from it? Maybe? No?

Pffft.

He is utter scum.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Tom Enders is yet another German who appreciates what a no deal will do to the German economy. We know that no European nation can go it alone in Aerospace, that’s why we work together. Being in or out of the EU is irrelevant to this sort of cooperation. We work with the USA to build the new F35, but we are not part of the USA. We work with people because we happen to have the skills to do so......

I despair! All he wants from our Govt is for them to take the no deal option off the table. How the hell can he and many CEO's like him plan for the future of their companies and the jobs of their employees if the UK Govt continue on this path of self destruction. It's got nothing to do with him being German, but it has everything to do with the incompetance of the UK Govt and the pathetic in-fighting within the tory party.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Sick of being lectured by the oldies to be honest. You've had your time with your safe jobs, cushy pensions, dirt cheap houses and free further education. You've collectively creamed as much as you can from the country and now you're hanging about waving your angry bitter fists to the sky, thinking you know it all because you've been knockin' about for a long time. Let's face it, you can sleep easy knowing that Brexit probably won't affect you too much because you're either financially secure or you'll be dead.

You have to wonder what their parents did to them apart from more than likely fight in WW2 construct a welfare state and develop our membership in the EU etc...

 

[Joey66]

400m 40m labour voters voted to leave.
33.5m people in total voted.
17.4m people voted to leave.
35% of Labour voters voted to leave.
So if I carry the two and divide by...

Its Brexit project fear- the same crap you post about leaving on WTO rules........

 

[Joey66]

I think it's at this point that we need a burly native indian to take a pillow and send Joe to a better place. He's too far gone.

How are you getting on in Brussel Sprouts .....

 

[Joey66]

400m 40m labour voters voted to leave.
33.5m people in total voted.
17.4m people voted to leave.
35% of Labour voters voted to leave.
So if I carry the two and divide by...

Seven in 10 Labour-held constituencies voted to leave the EU and a recent meeting of the parliamentary Labour party was dominated by a bitter row over the single market, with MPs in pro-Brexit seats warning that supporting it would damage their electoral chances.

 

[Khalekan]

Sick of being lectured by the oldies to be honest. You've had your time with your safe jobs, cushy pensions, dirt cheap houses and free further education. You've collectively creamed as much as you can from the country and now you're hanging about waving your angry bitter fists to the sky, thinking you know it all because you've been knockin' about for a long time. Let's face it, you can sleep easy knowing that Brexit probably won't affect you too much because you're either financially secure or you'll be dead.

Top post, Larry.

Top, top post.

And I speak as one of those oldies, or Baby Boomers as we used to be called, who benefitted from all that you mention.

But this is one arl bugger who does not believe in pulling the ladder up behind him.

And there are millions like me, don’t worry about that.

Because we have children and grandchildren being sucked into this Brexit madness and we worry about their futures in a low wage, low standards, future dumping ground of Western Europe.

Best wishes to you son and let’s hope Yvette and Grieve can rescue the situation next week.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How are you getting on in Brussel Sprouts .....

Well. A couple of new initiatives were launched with Britain on the outside rather than at the heart as was previously the case. Also the admission that in the event of no deal we'll be removed entirely from the programme and the facilities currently in London will move to Dublin.

 

[Joey66]

Well. A couple of new initiatives were launched with Britain on the outside rather than at the heart as was previously the case. Also the admission that in the event of no deal we'll be removed entirely from the programme and the facilities currently in London will move to Dublin.

Impossible the EU are putting up a hard border.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Impossible the EU are putting up a hard border.......

*shrug, I know these aren't things that bother you.

 

[Harryflashman]

Impossible the EU are putting up a hard border.......

I’ve asked a couple of times , if we leave no deal if you consider WTO MFN status what happens with the border ?

 

[Joey66]

I’ve asked a couple of times , if we leave no deal if you consider WTO MFN status what happens with the border ?

That is open for discussion with a civilized organisation......
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

 

[Harryflashman]

That is open for discussion with a civilized organisation......
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

We don’t have to erect a border , they won’t demand it that’s absolutely true but you know that any member can then make a complaint , or rather raise a dispute, under the grounds that the lack of a border grants the republic .

Here’s a fairly comprehensive text on it , the last line might be of particular interest to you .


There is no rule in the WTO requiring its member governments to secure their borders.

The WTO does not tell countries what to doother than to keep their promises (abide by the WTO agreements and their WTO commitments)

Even when countries break their WTO promises, there is no “confrontation” with “the WTO” and least of all with “WTO officials”

The WTO is member-driven. If in the future other WTO countries believe the UK is violating an agreement, it is they, not the WTO bureaucracy, who will act. They can do so by complaining in a WTO meeting or filing a legal challenge in WTO dispute settlement

Since there is no WTO rule requiring governments to secure their borders, failing to do so would not break any specific agreement

Where the UK might run into trouble is under the WTO’s non-discrimination rules, particularly “most-favoured-nation” treatment (MFN), which means treating one’s trading partners equally

Suppose the UK and EU trade on WTO terms after Brexit. Suppose American apples arriving in the UK at an English port have to go through controls, but Irish apples crossing the border into Northern Ireland (also the UK) do not. Then the US could complain that its apples were discriminated against. They weren’t given equal treatment with Irish apples when they entered the UK.

The US might seek a legal ruling in WTO dispute settlement. Months or years later, the ruling might conclude that the UK had discriminated. So either checks at the English ports would have to be dropped, OR CHECKS AT THE IRISH BORDER WOULD HAVE TO BE SET UP .