Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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edge said:
I think of him as a modern day Micheal Foot with cheerleader 's,
decent person ,principal 's he stands by , which is rare in politics these days are a plus
But totally wrong for the position he finds himself in, not the man to lead the country or the party to power as he hasn't the wider appeal outside of those that already will be voting that way anyway.
Thought he made a mistake today myself but let's see how it plays out.
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Shown he is not a statesman, childish antics he should or could have took Keir Starmer with him at least......
 
I see Theresa May (worst Prime Minister in my lifetime, yes worse even than Alec Douglas Home) is offering talks to opposition party leaders about a way forward but sticking to her red lines. One of her senior cabinet colleagues described her as 'deluded' and said that she just doesn't listen. Not a great thing to have said about you when you are trying to engage in talks, which I suspect will not end well. Still it is better than what Dominic Cummings (Tory) said about David Davis - 'Thick as mince; lazy as a toad and as vain as Narcissus.' Politicians can be excellent at insulting opponents, even in the same party.
 
sbbefc said:
I'm worried about the social ramifications if we do leave. It's likely that the country would vote remain now.
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what happens if all the cost and it ends up 51 v 49 percent OUT we have the same problem.......
excluding the cost the bitterness of it all some clowns of MPs wants Mays option back on the ballot paper after they rejected it themselves -
how about - leave with any deal or leave without a deal - if you want the ballot paper to be so loaded.........
 
Market trader said:
I see Theresa May (worst Prime Minister in my lifetime, yes worse even than Alec Douglas Home) is offering talks to opposition party leaders about a way forward but sticking to her red lines. One of her senior cabinet colleagues described her as 'deluded' and said that she just doesn't listen. Not a great thing to have said about you when you are trying to engage in talks, which I suspect will not end well. Still it is better than what Dominic Cummings (Tory) said about David Davis - 'Thick as mince; lazy as a toad and as vain as Narcissus.' Politicians can be excellent at insulting opponents, even in the same party.
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Especially in the same party :pint2:
 
sbbefc said:
I'm worried about the social ramifications if we do leave. It's likely that the country would vote remain now.
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Is that even true though? I'd like to think so but there are a lot of remainers who either believe that it is undemocratic to have another vote/overturn the 2016 vote, or have been lead to believe so by the loud mouthed Brexiteers who scream betrayal if their directionless 2016 Brexit is not carried out.
 
Awful and dangerous referendum not compatible with UK democracy, frankly those politicians advocating another are dangerous and silly people

Custom Union on it's way... Corbyn and Hammond The Brexit Breakers...
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Personally don’t want to leave the EU but at the same time I’m worried about the social ramifications if the government don’t proceed with exiting. What an ill thought out mess.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. How many countries have had multiple referendums on one issue, yet you haven't seen armageddon in any of those places and generally we are not as combustible as other nations. It's project fear from the leave side that the country would descend into hell if the vote was reversed. In fact I would expect a bigger backlash from the remainers if the youth have to go through another generation of unemployment and harsh economic conditions off the back of a decision mainly made from the old, well to do elites and EDL types. Whichever side of the coin we land on there will be issues.
 
EFC78 said:
Why's that?
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Strongly against referendum it's not really compatible with UK democracy, we have had this aptly demonstrated for over two years now.

Such important matters as EU membership for the UK should be party and government level only! So decided through manifesto and election.
Referendums should only be for flippint things like alcohol consumption on Sundays, there were votes for this in Wales in the early 90s, that's about it's level.

Many countries restrict the use of referenda such as Italy because referendum have a history of letting nut jobs in to the political process...

I would vote remain again thus a party of remain in my utopian UK (in the binary sense)
 
Joey66 said:
so you want a replay I for one think the cost of it is astronomical once in a lifetime we got told - and the SNP would then push for their referendum - pathetic idea coming from the man who sold the post office off to cheaply... sir vince should stick to come dancing.......
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And we have another brexiteer who refuses to answer my simple question. Option 1 or 2; which is more representative of the democratic wishes of the people in the UK in 2019?

You think the cost would be astronomical compared to, say, crashing out of the EU with no deal, for instance?! And, no, I don't think there should be a second vote in a perfect political world. In that perfect world, our government would have the balls to use parliamentary sovereignty to overturn the advisory referendum of 2016 and stop this act of self-harm in its tracks. Brexiteers talk of sovereignty and democracy yet want our parliamentary democracy to crash out of the EU based on an ill-informed plebiscite. But seeing as our parliament is so utterly useless, a second referendum that offers us a choice between remaining and no-deal brexit seems to be the only option left.

As I've said before, if every major decision in the UK was down to plebiscite, based on opinion polls, we'd have been hanging people up until 2015 and Britain would've been a much worse place for gays and women in the past 60 years.

And for the record, the SNP have and continue to push for a second indyref since the first one as it is their mandate to do so. In 2017, the Scottish parliament voted for a second indyref, for example. Theresa May blocked that on the grounds that 'now is not the time for a second vote' because of Brexit. On her word, post-Brexit Britain should prepare itself for a second Indyref.
 
To "put it back to the people" would be a staggering and quite frankly disgraceful disrespect to the democratic process which was agreed by all parties and which had a clear winner. Now I understand the 'lies' that were prevelent in the Leave campaign but let's be honest, most of those who voted leave were more bothered about stopping mass immigration, not saving a few quid for the NHS.

I don't know how this will play out, but the will of the people must be upheld. Those demanding a new vote should be ashamed of themselves, putting their personal desires ahead of those who they represent. Disgusting.

Imagine having to work with an alleged Jew-hater (and people on here talk about Trump being racist, yet support Corbyn) leader of the opposition to have to find a solution to Brexit.
 
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