Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Its slightly off topic, but Corbyn playing party politics with this may well come back to haunt him. He isnt the only one, granted, but he is the one that will be seeking the highest office.

Corbyn is having a bad Brexit and no mistake.

If he calls for this Vote of Confidence and if, more likely when, it is defeated surely he must resign as Labour leader.

 

[Joey66]

Leave means leave, and nothing else. May's 'crap' deal is delivering on a leave vote; A deal that keeps us in the EU in all but name is delivering on a Leave vote; A no deal is delivering on a leave vote.

And that is the ultimate problem with delivering Brexit. Whereas it's clear what remainers were voting for, there's absolutely nothing to say what leavers were voting for or why they were voting for it, beyond that they want to leave. So, any brexiteer saying that May's deal doesn't deliver on what the public voted for is full of [Poor language removed] because May's deal DOES deliver on the only thing it has to - leaving the EU.

If they want their no-deal hard Brexit, put it to the vote in parliament or another referendum if you will. If it fails and May's deal fails we should withdraw Article 50.

A long winded answer every vote for whatever reason was OUT equals leaving the EU......

 

[Joey66]

That's an offer too good to refuse. Can you stick me back on your ignore list as well while you are at it.

Well don't be sarcastic in my post in neighbours and I may think about itlol

 

[tsubaki]

Corbyn is having a bad Brexit and no mistake.

If he calls for this Vote of Confidence and if, more likely when, it is defeated surely he must resign as Labour leader.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand how votes of confidence work.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Interesting that Cardiff have completely disassociated their club from his comments. Could see him being shown the door sooner rather than later.

Hope so. He’s now come out and said he stands by his comments even after the official Cardiff City communication.

What a bellend.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Corbyn is having a bad Brexit and no mistake.

If he calls for this Vote of Confidence and if, more likely when, it is defeated surely he must resign as Labour leader.

You couldn't make this up. You've got a PM who is pro-Remain trying to convince her own party and the public that the UK is leaving and that she has got the best deal possible from the EU. Then you have a Leader of the Opposition who is pro-Brexit trying to convince his own party and the public that she could have got a much better deal if only she had tried a bit harder, and that he might agree to measures which could see the UK remain in the EU if only he could get into office via a General Election.

Most countries in this situation would have agreed a position which was in their national interest but the UK's politicians continue to play games with each other. It would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so serious.

 

[peteblue]

So you simply discount experts now ? That’s it you don’t listen to what anybody in the field says , be that trade , the cbi , terrorism and national security, health , economics or whatever ? Because you’ve definitely quoted lots of people that support your view .

Listen joe if no deal happens nobody will be happier than me if that’s a success , I’ll love to be wrong absolutely love it but we’ll only know if it happens but If we get no deal and it’s a disaster though then that’s a different matter .

Depends on the experts. The CBI said we should join the Euro. In terms of National Security, the ex heads of the Armed Forces and MI6 have written to all conservatives saying that we must NOT accept the deal on security grounds. From an economic perspective, no one knows and anyone who says they do is as much a liar as the original project fear.

No deal will be fine, we will continue to trade with the E.U., we will gain from import duties, we will open up trade with other countries, we will get cheaper food without E.U. import duties, and life will go on. It’s only the fear that you fear, the actuality will be fine...

 

[peteblue]

You couldn't make this up. You've got a PM who is pro-Remain trying to convince her own party and the public that the UK is leaving and that she has got the best deal possible from the EU. Then you have a Leader of the Opposition who is pro-Brexit trying to convince his own party and the public that she could have got a much better deal if only she had tried a bit harder, and that he might agree to measures which could see the UK remain in the EU if only he could get into office via a General Election.

Most countries in this situation would have agreed a position which was in their national interest but the UK's politicians continue to play games with each other. It would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so serious.

Indeed...and some of them will pay the price.......

 

[Harryflashman]

Depends on the experts. The CBI said we should join the Euro. In terms of National Security, the ex heads of the Armed Forces and MI6 have written to all conservatives saying that we must NOT accept the deal on security grounds. From an economic perspective, no one knows and anyone who says they do is as much a liar as the original project fear.

No deal will be fine, we will continue to trade with the E.U., we will gain from import duties, we will open up trade with other countries, we will get cheaper food without E.U. import duties, and life will go on. It’s only the fear that you fear, the actuality will be fine...

Sorry mate I probably wasn’t clear, Pretty much every expert across the board in every sphere things no deal is a disaster .

We can already trade with other countries can’t we , I know we seem to ? This WTO rules sounds great is that way all the big trading nations around the world operate solely in wto rules , how many countries do that ? Also im Sure I read a couple of years ago the head of the WTO say it’d cost us a lot of money on tariffs not to mention the current position of the US amongst others . Peter I totally accept your point of view obviously but unsurprisingly I vehemently disagree.

Ultimately like I’ve said it’ll have little or no impact on me , a couple of things I may notice but I’m secure fortunately however that doesn’t mean I want it . The only way we’ll find our is if it happens so firstly I hope we don’t find out but secondly if it does I certainly hope you’re right and I’m wrong .

 

[ToffeeTim]

Parliament will eventually decide to do a deal to delay brexit so they can take more time to talk to the EU about potentially reopening the talks which would eventually allow talks about another withdrawal treaty to take place.

That's politics. It's corrupt. It's dirty. It's self interested.

 

[Tubey]

Lest we forget.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So, any brexiteer saying that May's deal doesn't deliver on what the public voted for is full of [Poor language removed] because May's deal DOES deliver on the only thing it has to - leaving the EU

I agree with your post on the whole but the above is only done on a technicality. If May got her deal we could still conceivably be in the EU 20 years down the line until they find a way of solving a currently unsolvable problem. It's just leave in name.

I can issue a statement of intention to work my way through FHM's top 20 sexiest women in the world (or whatever the modern day equivalent is...), but with deficiencies in looks, money and social circuit to meet said people and then unknown future hurdles like restraining orders and relationship statuses to throw spanners in the works, I may struggle to ever meet my goal (or even part of it tbh, more's the pity...sigh). But I'm hopeful there will be a technological breakthrough at somepoint which will enable me to get them all ticked off in a matter of months... Sound familiar?

It would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so serious.

The greatest travesty of this whole episode is that we don't even have Spitting Image or Rory Bremner show to make use of this comedy gold. It is perhaps why the politicians can get away with being so stupid as we haven't got an appropriate mirror being held back at them to take note and change tack.

 

[Armel]

Touch paper lit.

Stand by for incoming from @Joey66

Most I said was that I wasn't a big fan of inciting hatred/violence. So no talking of murdering people, lessen the war rhetoric, blaming other people, no disparaging behaviour towards nationalities ... Lots of anger. You can't 'win' Brexit. It's not a competitive sport.

On a positive note; John Cleese gave a keynote speech about creativity on the work-floor, Brexit and British politics in Antwerp in front of the Flemish chamber of commerce. So it's a bit more Monty Python now.

I don't get this yellow vest thing at all, yes French lorry drivers I get it they have to carry them by law over there so it has some meaning, but other than that what?
is it a call for civil disorder ,left/right both seem to wear it so what's the point?

If you plan to drive (not only lorries) in France and Belgium (and a whole range of other European countries) you're required by law to have a yellow vest in your vehicle. So they chose that uniform because it was cheap, since you already probably own a few.

Has to be said the mainly (very) left yellow vest protesters (very similar in the French speaking part of Belgium and France) are quite peeved off with the right (in other countries) high-jacking their symbol.

"The tour of the Commission building..."

Those kind of facilities are in place in a great many workplaces these days. It's hardly like they're working in Versailles!

"10,000 officials earn more than the prime minister..."

It's a fairly decent building, but there are more impressive buildings in Brussels imo. Concerning the 28 windows. One/country. I do wonder what will happen with the U.K. window, in case of a Brexit... Last I heard there were +- 40 000 public servants working for the E.U. Quite a few cities have more employees. The competition to work there is extremely high though. An oversupply of very highly educated people, from across the E.U., hover around there for a scarce amount of jobs. Not only for the EU jobs, but also the NGO's. Apart from the exams (that's how most get in- very difficult apparently); you have the internships. Very good if you want to be exploited (quite a few are unpaid or for very small amounts), or alternatively you have rich parents/work an extra job. My French friend used to get paid 180 € to do an internship for the Armenian representation at the E.U. - she was lucky that she had a boyfriend who lived in Brussels so she could afford that. You can find most of these interns, around the bars around the Luxemburgplein, to network etc... Quite a few leave disheartened since you can be stuck in an internship for a long period (with absolutely no guarantee for a job); e.g.: if you do an internship for the E.U. commission only 4 percent gets a job. Salaries (once you get in) are very similar to what other big organisations pay; like NATO, IMO, UN etc...

Not in a good place mentally at the right now so will give it a rest for a bit, nothing to do with anybody on here by the way.

I hope you feel better today.

Agreed I’ve seen the port of Calais saying there won’t be , perhaps they’re better prepared . Personally I can’t see how there won’t be issues , simply because of change and on the fact that that other Eu /non Eu borders experience checks , paperwork etc . I’ve heard several hauliers and ‘experts ‘ discuss it and they seemed fairly united on that front .

I’m not suggesting it’ll be gridlock or last for years by the way , I don’t know but I think it’ll have an impact .

I would be quite sceptical about what the Calais mayor says, I think he's just protecting his own interests. What I read in the French newspapers they've only started their preparations, actual (not only plans) around the end of October. The Dutch, who have started their no-deal Brexit preparations, a whole lot sooner are still not finished with their recruitment drive (it takes quite a bit of time to train new customs personnel) and then you still have to build extra infrastructure - they do however expect to be ready in time (although if you're looking for a job; still plenty of Brexit related jobs available on the site of the Dutch government).

 

[Kenshin]

I still think the whole process has been a joke. The winning vote was a campaign full of lies!

Hopefully today the whole waste of time will be defeated and shortly after we have to vote on a new government to have another crack (and not get anywhere).

Are we just going to keep repeating this until the country gets fed up and remains anyway?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a fairly decent building, but there are more impressive buildings in Brussels imo. Concerning the 28 windows. One/country. I do wonder what will happen with the U.K. window, in case of a Brexit... Last I heard there were +- 40 000 public servants working for the E.U. Quite a few cities have more employees. The competition to work there is extremely high though. An oversupply of very highly educated people, from across the E.U., hover around there for a scarce amount of jobs. Not only for the EU jobs, but also the NGO's. Apart from the exams (that's how most get in- very difficult apparently); you have the internships. Very good if you want to be exploited (quite a few are unpaid or for very small amounts), or alternatively you have rich parents/work an extra job. My French friend used to get paid 180 € to do an internship for the Armenian representation at the E.U. - she was lucky that she had a boyfriend who lived in Brussels so she could afford that. You can find most of these interns, around the bars around the Luxemburgplein, to network etc... Quite a few leave disheartened since you can be stuck in an internship for a long period (with absolutely no guarantee for a job); e.g.: if you do an internship for the E.U. commission only 4 percent gets a job. Salaries (once you get in) are very similar to what other big organisations pay; like NATO, IMO, UN etc...

It's a very similar situation with interns in most UK government departments to be fair. All of the ones I've worked in have had a gaggle of bright young interns working for peanuts. It's an example that always causes me to chuckle whenever people hold the public sector on a pedestal of morality that the profiteering private sector cannot hope to obtain. In most cases people are just people, you get some good, some bad. Public/private is largely an irrelevance.

I'm off to Brussels at the end of the month. Haven't been for 18 months so it'll be nice to go back, albeit for a flying visit. I'll be near the Theatre Royal if you know that area?