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roydo said:
Been a few interesting bits and bobs on 5 Live just now.

May and the Japanese PM having a presser, with both alluding to a deal post brexit, and the Japanese PM saying the world is watching and no one wants a No Deal.

Then the CEO of JLR was on re the lay offs; NOT Brexit related. But. He has concerns re a No Deal, cos his UK business needs 25 million parts every day. They cannot be stockpiled, he relies on the custom and trading system that just cannot be interrupted.
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The people who sell the 25 million parts to JLR also do not want anything to get in the way. They too will demand that the trading system works or they too will suffer the consequences.......
 
peteblue said:
The people who sell the 25 million parts to JLR also do not want anything to get in the way. They too will demand that the trading system works or they too will suffer the consequences.......
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I totally agree that the situation is impacting on those in mainland Europe, they’re facing uncertainty. I know personally small companies with a close relationship the U.K. are finding their banks less helpful so I’ve no doubt this goes all the way to the larger institutions. Obviously the effects would be different but I think it’d be hard to imagine they’re not there .

The concern facing so many, here and overseas , is the no deal Brexit so let’s hope that’s not what we end up with because I don’t firmly believe it’ll take some coming back from .
 
Harryflashman said:
I totally agree that the situation is impacting on those in mainland Europe, they’re facing uncertainty. I know personally small companies with a close relationship the U.K. are finding their banks less helpful so I’ve no doubt this goes all the way to the larger institutions. Obviously the effects would be different but I think it’d be hard to imagine they’re not there .

The concern facing so many, here and overseas , is the no deal Brexit so let’s hope that’s not what we end up with because I don’t firmly believe it’ll take some coming back from .
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No deal Brexit is no real problem. If anything it simplifies and regulates the way we will trade. It would also help to put a bit of push behind getting a new trading arrangement in place.....
 
peteblue said:
It’s not a swipe at you, if it’s good news for Ireland them I’m very happy for you. I’m sure Mr Varadkar has got everything in hand and will win his next election vote comfortably. I’m sure he must believe he’s handled this really well, considering his belligerent stance to the U.K.. But we’ll see very shortly.....Personally I think he’s made as much a mess of it as May, but she will only lose her job, Varadkar might just decimate the ROI......
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Funny that, because Boris Johnson was in Dublin today praising the Irish government for its stance in being ahead of the game re Brexit.

If there is any decimation of Ireland because of Brexit there will only one country to blame, and that's the one that will have walked out of the EU in a huff without paying its bill.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Funny that, because Boris Johnson was in Dublin today praising the Irish government for its stance in being ahead of the game re Brexit.

If there is any decimation of Ireland because of Brexit there will only one country to blame, and that's the one that will have walked out of the EU in a huff without paying its bill.
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Fine, it’s our fault, we accept the blame, it was us. Are you happy now. Meanwhile it will be you that suffers the most, sorry.......
 
peteblue said:
So the Italian, Dutch, Danish and Norwegian heads think it’s bad. Meanwhile the fifth previous head who was British did he sign it....
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While you asked, Pete:

He was Geoffrey Robertson - former Labour Defence Secretary. He concluded an article in the New European on 19 October 2017:

"It has taken Brexit and a careless, needless attitude to continuing British influence in NATO to produce a formula which will consign Britain to the margins. That is a sad and indefensible indictment of those who presently run our nation’s defences."

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen was Secretary General of NATO from 1999-2003 and UK Secretary of State for Defence from 1997-99. He was Chief Opposition Spokesman on Europe for ten years and named Joint Parliamentarian of the Year in 1992 for his role in the Maastricht Treaty ratification

Perhaps nobody asked him to sign the letter. I don't think you can suggest he would have taken a different view.

See https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/george-robertson-britain-shooting-1-5242892
 
JammyP said:
While you asked, Pete:

He was Geoffrey Robertson - former Labour Defence Secretary. He concluded an article in the New European on 19 October 2017:

"It has taken Brexit and a careless, needless attitude to continuing British influence in NATO to produce a formula which will consign Britain to the margins. That is a sad and indefensible indictment of those who presently run our nation’s defences."

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen was Secretary General of NATO from 1999-2003 and UK Secretary of State for Defence from 1997-99. He was Chief Opposition Spokesman on Europe for ten years and named Joint Parliamentarian of the Year in 1992 for his role in the Maastricht Treaty ratification

Perhaps nobody asked him to sign the letter. I don't think you can suggest he would have taken a different view.

See https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/george-robertson-britain-shooting-1-5242892
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Did he sign the letter ?.....
 
Harryflashman said:
When you think that Thomas mair gave his name in court as “death to traitors “ whilst the likes of hope not hate reported he was celebrated by so many as a patriot afterwards it shows what power certain words carry . Personally I blame the media particularly the mail , the express and on occasion the telegraph . If you can find me remain media calling Brexiteers traitors or enemies of the people then I’ll criticise them as well .

People are stoking the fires and you sometimes think they won’t be happy unless blood , actually more blood is spilled .
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Yes a lot of British media outlets are vile. Although quite a few are an amusing read if you read them in an ironic manner. I don't understand how a lot of it gets published, but I suppose that's the way it is. Equally it's not a good PR exercise, foreign people, read those papers too and it's usually just insults and stereotypes.

Mind you the tone is also hardening in this thread. Only in the last pages I read: insults directed towards Romanians ('and money well spent'), traitors and how they should be dealt with (sometimes in colourful language), a lot of over the top nationalism, far right figures becoming important allies for socialists... And mostly a lot of blaming of other people; the EU, the Irish (they won't suffer the most, they would take some serious damage but still 6 percent less than the U.K. in the event of a no-deal; still a very large number compared to other E.U countries though. Doesn't help that some politicians say that Ireland should know it's place etc. Let them be for once.)...

And then occasionally I turn on my television, and suddenly I see the mayor of Ramsgate in the news, a bit like a deus ex machina wearing full regalia. Proudly saying that he'll be taking the first ferry from Ramsgate to Ostend. Then I see the mayor of Ostend saying that he hasn't heard of said firm, he hasn't seen any financial guarantees, he doesn't know if it's viable and that he's still to speak to both the company and said mayor. And that is topped of by some representative from some Ramsgate committee saying that the whole thing is better than Monty Python (tbf I agree with him sometimes). Or the people that want to postpone Brexit-day for a bit, so realistically, if she loses the vote and the British government asks the EU to postpone Brexit. How would this work precisely. It has to be before the start of July, because in May you have European elections and it's quite logical that they'll have to be out by then because otherwise there will be a whole array of legal problems: because the U.K. would no longer have any representation in the parliament etc ... On top of that who guarantees that they can solve the whole thing in 3 months when they weren't able to have a somewhat decent crack (in their opinion) at it in +- 2.5 years.

Let's be real here, whatever way this turns out (and as said before, I honestly don't care, apart from the outcomes for individual people- informed, misinformed or otherwise), it has soured (or maybe exposed) the political climate in the U.K. It's quite hard to imagine reversing Brexit; I can see the Daily Mail headlines now: "Polar vortex a result of reversing Brexit: how the EU is freezing you." Promptly followed by some faux yellow vest idiots staging a protest, while being equally outraged by a vegan sausage roll.
 
Armel said:
Yes a lot of British media outlets are vile. Although quite a few are an amusing read if you read them in an ironic manner. I don't understand how a lot of it gets published, but I suppose that's the way it is. Equally it's not a good PR exercise, foreign people, read those papers too and it's usually just insults and stereotypes.

Mind you the tone is also hardening in this thread. Only in the last pages I read: insults directed towards Romanians ('and money well spent'), traitors and how they should be dealt with (sometimes in colourful language), a lot of over the top nationalism, far right figures becoming important allies for socialists... And mostly a lot of blaming of other people; the EU, the Irish (they won't suffer the most, they would take some serious damage but still 6 percent less than the U.K. in the event of a no-deal; still a very large number compared to other E.U countries though. Doesn't help that some politicians say that Ireland should know it's place etc. Let them be for once.)...

And then occasionally I turn on my television, and suddenly I see the mayor of Ramsgate in the news, a bit like a deus ex machina wearing full regalia. Proudly saying that he'll be taking the first ferry from Ramsgate to Ostend. Then I see the mayor of Ostend saying that he hasn't heard of said firm, he hasn't seen any financial guarantees, he doesn't know if it's viable and that he's still to speak to both the company and said mayor. And that is topped of by some representative from some Ramsgate committee saying that the whole thing is better than Monty Python (tbf I agree with him sometimes). Or the people that want to postpone Brexit-day for a bit, so realistically, if she loses the vote and the British government asks the EU to postpone Brexit. How would this work precisely. It has to be before the start of July, because in May you have European elections and it's quite logical that they'll have to be out by then because otherwise there will be a whole array of legal problems: because the U.K. would no longer have any representation in the parliament etc ... On top of that who guarantees that they can solve the whole thing in 3 months when they weren't able to have a somewhat decent crack (in their opinion) at it in +- 2.5 years.

Let's be real here, whatever way this turns out (and as said before, I honestly don't care, apart from the outcomes for individual people- informed, misinformed or otherwise), it has soured (or maybe exposed) the political climate in the U.K. It's quite hard to imagine reversing Brexit; I can see the Daily Mail headlines now: "Polar vortex a result of reversing Brexit: how the EU is freezing you." Promptly followed by some faux yellow vest idiots staging a protest, while being equally outraged by a vegan sausage roll.
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Touch paper lit.

Stand by for incoming from @Joey66
 
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