send up the signal, his time has come
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He's the hero we need.
Big week.
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He’ll be too busy putting on his hi viz jacket and overseeing the commeraddy of the other no deal pensioner fan club.
I available Bruce with my consultancy feelol I do not sit old, and idly - I lie down idly because of my health.....
Its a load of -
Lithops testiculatas
Yeah - makes a no deal option now highly unlikely.
Wrong it just stops the finances for NO Deal laid out in the last budget,but the Government can use reserves to push a no deal through as Hammond has not spent that much as yet... going way back it's like when a war, ot crisis breaks out the money is always there.......
No as it is what it is an a amendment not an act of parliment which is law........
Only with a consultancy fee........
Wetherspoons owner can't wait for no deal..........
So cant see your new pub going downhill Pete ignore all the doom mongers on here........
Order your yellow vest like me......lol
Something is wrong there her aid is not ther, and she is not smiling walking along the path as she was........
Hmmm Of a no deal is pushed through then a new budget will be required as the entire financial landscape will change.
If the govt want to run the country’s economy post no deal Brexit based on the last budget then we are well and truly screwed.
No deal won’t happen - it’s off the table now. If she does try and force it through parliament will react and there will be a general election.
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The entire landscape is now muddied and I wouldn't write off any outcome, including no deal.
Without getting into the specifics of in or out and just commenting on the democratic processes we have gone through to get where we are, I think it paints a pretty poor picture of all of our political class and demonstrates that they are quite happy to subvert the will of the people (ie, democracy) in order to pursue their own agenda and self interests.
This synopsis that I saw today explains it better than I can.
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I just wanted to lay out all the steps to how we ended up Leaving the EU:
In 2015, the Conservatives, UKIP and the Greens promised a referendum in their manifestos. The Conservatives won a majority in Parliament, and in terms of the popular vote, Tories + UKIP + Greens = 36.1% + 12.6% + 3.6% = 52.3% of the vote on a turnout of 66.4%.
Therefore having a referendum on the EU was backed by the voters both on a FPTP parliamentary basis, and on a popular vote basis.
Then parliament voted to hold the referendum by 544 - 53. Therefore holding the referendum was now the Will of Parliament, as well as the Will of the Voters.
Then we had the 2016 EU ref which delivered a Leave vote by 52% - 48%. The referendum turnout of 72% was higher than the turnout in any General Election for decades. The 17 million people that voted to leave the EU was a higher vote than anything in this countries history. And four million more votes than the current Theresa May government received.
Thus leaving is the Will of the People.
Then parliament voted to trigger Article 50 by 498 to 114 MPs.
Now Leaving is the Will of Parliament as well.
Then a general election was held in 2017, after a full year of remainers screaming that voters should be able to change their minds. Anti-Brexit parties like the SNP got hammered. Parties that promised to honour the referendum got 85% of the vote on a turnout of 68%.
Voters were signalling that Leaving was the Will of the People again.
Then we had the Withdrawal Act go through parliament in the summer of 2018. This was an epic battle with over 1000 amendments, all designed to shape the method of departure. An amendment to remove the leaving date got defeated. An amendment to make the customs union the default if no deal could be agreed was defeated 307 - 301 (with 42 MPs not bothering to vote).
So leaving with no deal as the default on 29th March 2019 is the Will of Parliament.
As you can see there were loads of steps where both voters and parliament were consulted over and over again.
If people wanted to stop the process, they could have done so at any time from the 2015 general election onwards.
For example if you thought having a referendum was wrong in principle, you could have argued that in that in the 2015 election. If you wanted a supermajority you should have argued that in the 2015 parliamentary act that gave permission for the referendum to be held (interestingly it was set at 50% +1 because that was what the Scottish ref was set at - so people wanting a supermajority should have made their case during the negotiations about the Scottish ref in 2012).
Then in the 2016 ref, you could have argued your case better so your side won!
Then if you still wanted to overturn it, you could have voted for a remain party in the 2017 ref. Mysteriously lots of remainers voted for arch-brexiteer Corbyn.
Finally if you wanted to shape the leaving as a Norway deal etc, remain MPs could have turned up to back their amendments in the Withdrawal Act in summer 2018. We are not going to remain in the customs union or have a Norway option because parliament explicitly voted against the amendments that contained those options.
I'm not sure what remainers are complaining about - they've been given plenty of opportunities to persuade both voters and parliament that the EU is wonderful, and failed over and over. Time to accept reality, methinks.
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And we could always use that £350m a week as well
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