Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Tubey said:
That'd be EU or EEA membership, or a complete no deal with a hard border in Ireland.

"Easier" isn't the word I'd use either way due to the fallout from either.
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What fallout would there be from EEA or a customs union with the EU? We have left; the question on the ballot was leave the EU or remain.

Everything after that is down to this Government claiming to speak for the country and setting its own red lines - from immigration to fishing rights.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
You do understand that the EU will not be renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement ?
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For the second time - the EU have said they will not be renegotiating the Withdrawl Agreement because May and Cabinet have signed up to it. If May and the Cabinet no longer occupy a position of power, that deal no longer exists and there would have to be a new Agreement.
 
tsubaki said:
What fallout would there be from EEA or a customs union with the EU? We have left; the question on the ballot was leave the EU or remain.

Everything after that is down to this Government claiming to speak for the country and setting its own red lines - from immigration to fishing rights.
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Because you'd have a near civil war with that outcome I think. Wouldn't resolve anything. Especially if Corbyn/Labour negotiated it.

Hence why I support a second referendum instead, as it has a greater chance of having a valid, final outcome.
 
tsubaki said:
For the second time - the EU have said they will not be renegotiating the Withdrawl Agreement because May and Cabinet have signed up to it. If May and the Cabinet no longer occupy a position of power, that deal no longer exists and there would have to be a new Agreement.
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No there wouldn't. The idea that the EU, having spent 2 years negotiating with the UK to reach a compromise, are suddenly going to tear it up and start from scratch again because there has been a change of leadership in the UK is the stuff of fantasy.

Some of you are living in a parallel world where the support of the party you favour comes before everything. It is making your country look a shambles from an outsider's point of view while you persist with your internal squabbles. Sorry if you don't like hearing that but that's the way it is. It's about time you put your national interest first and agreed some sort of compromise in parliament.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
No there wouldn't. The idea that the EU, having spent 2 years negotiating with the UK to reach a compromise, are suddenly going to tear it up and start from scratch again because there has been a change of leadership in the UK is the stuff of fantasy.

Some of you are living in a parallel world where the support of the party you favour comes before everything. It is making your country look a shambles from an outsider's point of view while you persist with your internal squabbles. Sorry if you don't like hearing that but that's the way it is. It's about time you put your national interest first and agreed some sort of compromise in parliament.
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That is an absurd statement, though.

I want Parliament to have its say; Labour wants Parliament to have its say - as does the DUP, the SNP, Plaid, the Lib Dems and every other party in Parliament with the exception of one. All the party leaders, with the exception of May, has said this needs to happen so it becomes clear if the deal has sufficient support and, if it doesn't, to start to come up with an alternative. The sole reason this has not happened is because the Government, and noone else, cancelled the vote on the 11th and have refused to call it until January 14th (and that is to assume it doesnt get cancelled again). There is noone else to blame for that; they did it - so for you to attack the rest because they aren't putting the national interest first is, frankly, daft.

Secondly, how on earth can you argue in the same post that the EU deal is not open to renegotiation and then also say that party interest should be put aside in order to work out some form of compromise in Parliament?
 
Tubey said:
Because you'd have a near civil war with that outcome I think. Wouldn't resolve anything. Especially if Corbyn/Labour negotiated it.

Hence why I support a second referendum instead, as it has a greater chance of having a valid, final outcome.
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Whilst any deal that Corbyn did would be attacked, I really do not see how we would end up with a near civil war if we left on any deal.

TBH I don't really think we would have one even if Article 50 was revoked by an incoming administration, or even after a second referendum. The right does like to talk a lot of wham but at the end of the day this is about the core Tory vote threatening everyone else with doom if they don't get their way - hence all May's garbage about what the people want, how her views are theirs and therefore are in the national interest etc.
 
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