Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Rook]

from marina hyde

For you, there are glad tidings, as Mr Blair broke a 14-minute silence to declare: “Brexit is manmade. It can be unmade by man. We simply must discover the will to change.” Powerful words, there, from the Deepak Chopra of destabilising the entire Middle East. I guess you can’t be a meaningful life coach until you’ve got a couple of hundred thousand deaths under your belt. “Things do not need to be like this,” continued the only Zen master to offer multimillion-pound advice to the Saudi government. “We are not hypnotised to do this. We can assume consciousness. We have free will.”

 

[Armel]

They should help themselves by being a bit more strategic though.

Recently there's a debate going on about the possible new social security directive. In there is a short line to bring down the 3 months period to one day (for unemployment benefits). That will clearly not happen since this isn't going to be accepted by a lot of the member states; every fool knows that [and the vote was only about progressing the negotiations to the next level-but a lot of people don't know the intricacies of EU decision making and get wound up]. Still you're leaving yourself open, to all sorts of idiotic headlines like: "EU wants to bring down 3 months waiting period to one day". Woosh; nobody pays attention to the good things contained in the directive . Extra protection for individual employees, makes it more difficult to employ cheap labourers from Eastern Europe (since you would have to pay them more), fight on social fraud etc...

 

[Number_25]

He’s not a fascist mate.

I support anti fascist marches, and while I don’t agree with Joey a lot of the time, one thing Joey isn’t is a fascist.

I was joking.

I love Joey.

 

[Groucho]

I was joking.

I love Joey.

Oh righty.

Down with fascists anyway.

 

[Number_25]

It's all a horrendous mess.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

https://www.economist.com/britain/2...-anglophilia-is-giving-way-to-anglobemusement

Bagehot is brilliantly cutting about how Britain is being seen overseas as a result of this.

 

[orchard]

So does Arlene Foster and she is propping up your Brexiteers.

And my MP in Monmouthshire, is there any point in correcting @ Joey's dogma at this juncture?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

And my MP in Monmouthshire, is there any point in correcting @ Joey's dogma at this juncture?

Keep the faith!

 

[orchard]

Keep the faith!

That's @ Joey's stance.

 

[dublinbluenose]

So that's the tourism and cheap flight industries gone then, imagine actually telling people not to book holidays or travel

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So that's the tourism and cheap flight industries gone then, imagine actually telling people not to book holidays or travel

To pre-empt Joe and his accusations of project fear and how they were wrong about the Euro etc. I would like to ask him, if projections such as this are so fanciful, why is it that thus far they all seem to be one way? Where are the fanciful projections around how Brexit will make life better?

All I've seen to date are people from various walks of life saying this will be crap, with the standard retort then being to either dismiss that as idle speculation, or to downplay the fears as "it won't be that bad, we survived the blitz...". Leavers complain that remain voters aren't getting behind the country, but what exactly is it we're supposed to get behind? Where is there anything at all that even wildly suggests that Brexit will make things better than now rather than various states of worse?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

What about Leave MPs whose constituents voted to remain. Are they ignoring their constituents as well ?

Yes, it works both ways. If an MP fails to represent their constituents then they're not fit for purpose.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes, it works both ways. If an MP fails to represent their constituents then they're not fit for purpose.

How does that work in reality though? How would an MP know what their constituents feel about the NHS or education policy or whether to go to war? It's convenient because we've had this plebiscite but even that doesn't really give the MP much to go on as to why their constituents voted the way they did.

I mean if they voted leave to end free movement, then the May deal does that, so they'd be in line, but if they voted leave to break free entirely from the EU then it probably doesn't.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

How does that work in reality though? How would an MP know what their constituents feel about the NHS or education policy or whether to go to war? It's convenient because we've had this plebiscite but even that doesn't really give the MP much to go on as to why their constituents voted the way they did.

I mean if they voted leave to end free movement, then the May deal does that, so they'd be in line, but if they voted leave to break free entirely from the EU then it probably doesn't.

They can get out among their consitiuants and find out. If they were doing their job and actually making contact once in a while with the peasants they supposedly represent it wouldn't be that difficult to find a general consensus or at least get a much better feel then they do right now. I don't except them to be in the nose about everything but frankly it's appalling how out of touch most MP's are from the people they supposedly represent.

 

[orchard]

They can get out among their consitiuants and find out. If they were doing their job and actually making contact once in a while with the peasants they supposedly represent it wouldn't be that difficult to find a general consensus or at least get a much better feel then they do right now. I don't except them to be in the nose about everything but frankly it's appalling how out of touch most MP's are from the people they supposedly represent.

Yea, but the amount of Con MP's in the house over the last couple of weeks saying stuff like 'I met frank, a prominent [insert target] in my constituency yesterday and he wanted to [insert particular government policy desperate for support here]' is legion.
It signifies the government are well aware of the issue, but without any formal accountability, is prone to abuse.