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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Bruce Wayne said:
To pre-empt Joe and his accusations of project fear and how they were wrong about the Euro etc. I would like to ask him, if projections such as this are so fanciful, why is it that thus far they all seem to be one way? Where are the fanciful projections around how Brexit will make life better?

All I've seen to date are people from various walks of life saying this will be crap, with the standard retort then being to either dismiss that as idle speculation, or to downplay the fears as "it won't be that bad, we survived the blitz...". Leavers complain that remain voters aren't getting behind the country, but what exactly is it we're supposed to get behind? Where is there anything at all that even wildly suggests that Brexit will make things better than now rather than various states of worse?
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But at least when we're standing in the bread lines, we'll be able to revel in our sovereignty
 
Seanjd said:
I agree with you that the commons makes many poor decisions and that the Lords generally, in my view as well, make better decisions, but that’s politics. In terms of MPs serving their constituencies I do actually believe that there are loads of good and effective members. You’ve also got a group of careerists who couldn’t care less, and they’re the ones who mainly get media coverage and put an outwardly image of MPs being awful.
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Indeed, though the growth of the practice of them assisting constituents as a core part of what they do has sort of obscured the fact that it really is not their job to do it (and nor could it be - I mean, what other public service would expect more than 60000 people to be served by one person).

You can easily make the argument that, in fact, doing so much of it actively makes them worse at doing their actual job, because they have so much less time to study what it is that Government / their front bench are telling them to do.

Something like Windrush is a great example of that, because the vast majority of that Commons did not even realise that the scandal (that pre-71 Commonwealth UK nationals wouldn’t be able to prove to HMGs satisfaction that they were allowed to be here) was a possibility that could happen; it was only MPs who had taken the time to find it out for themselves (and admittedly who had helped constituents as well) that tried and sadly failed to warn the front benches of it.
 
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