Current Affairs EU In or Out

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I'd love to slap Junker round the face a few times with a wet fish, it's worth leaving with no deal alone to have nothing to do with that rat again.

 

[roydo]

There is a cross-party majority for a certain type of deal that should’ve been the aim.

I agree. Trouble is, such is the tribal nature of our politics, I doubt such a arrangement could have been secured. Which is a shame.

 

[Eggs]

I agree. Trouble is, such is the tribal nature of our politics, I doubt such a arrangement could have been secured. Which is a shame.

...i’m convinced it could but it needed an enlightened leader. The cross-party Standing Committees work so well and it’s is surprising how members work with colleagues across the House. May’s approach has been divisive, there is a cross-party majority for a soft Brexit solution (remain in the Cutoms Union, Single Market etc).

 

[Joey66]

I'd love to slap Junker round the face a few times with a wet fish, it's worth leaving with no deal alone to have nothing to do with that rat again.

He would be that brandy sodden it might make him wake up - just seen him now handling female colleagues- totally embarrassing for them ........

 

[roydo]

...i’m convinced it could but it needed an enlightened leader. The cross-party Standing Committees work so well and it’s is surprising how members work with colleagues across the House. May’s approach has been divisive, there is a cross-party majority for a soft Brexit solution (remain in the Cutoms Union, Single Market etc).

Leaders. Thats the problem. Like you say, day to day, the commons rocks along in a pretty collabarative way. But once the GE result came in, too many folk scented blood.

 

[longers]

I'd love to slap Junker round the face a few times with a wet fish, it's worth leaving with no deal alone to have nothing to do with that rat again.

It really really isn’t..

 

[Harryflashman]

If our MPs supported democrocy........saying they would honour the vote of the referendum ........2 years , and we have stalemate......

I think you’ve quoted the wrong person , that’s got zero to do with my post mate

 

[Harryflashman]

They are fk all to do with me

I had absolutely no doubt you’d wash your hands of them mate .

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Taking half a sentence and replying to it out of context.

C'mon, roydo, you're better than that...

No I think @roydo nailed it actually.

Brexit is being driven now by the far right and by the upper echelons of the Tories who are no friends of the great unwashed.

 

[Tubey]

Yep this.

I'm tired of people defending the indefensible through outright lies and disregard for facts.

It's a torrid world we live in. Discussion and rationale has been derailed by bullying and stupidity.

To date, I've still not heard one sensible reason why we're leaving the EU. It's always nebulous nonsense rather than solid fact. We're risking the livelihoods of several generations to come simply because some Tory backbenchers don't like foreigners, have a misty-eyed nationalism for a Britain that no longer exists and/or EU 'red tape' stopping their rich mates from abusing the poor for profit.

Called it.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Strangest "socialist" I have ever known.

Private healthcare. Tick

Jacob Rees Mogg. Tick

Boris Johnson. Tick

Nigel Farage. Tick.

Quite a head scratcher and no mistake.

You forgot:

Marie Le Pen. Tick

Donald Trump. Tick

Defo a case of Scrambled Brain Syndrome if I ever saw one.

 

[Khalekan]

There is a woman on Channel 4 News right now explaining how WTO works.

It is scary.....and all the keyboard economists, such as @Joey66 , need to get their heads out their asses and stop spouting wham about things they know nowt about.

 

[Harryflashman]

There is a woman on Channel 4 News right now explaining how WTO works.

It is scary.....and all the keyboard economists, such as @Joey66 , need to get their heads out their asses and stop spouting wham about things they know nowt about.

One person talking facts and figures the other talking about our biggest export being “pessimism “ and we need to be realistic about “short term challenges and long term opportunities “ . Even without the second bit , one with facts and one with feelings , you can tell without properly listening whose who .

 

[Old Blue 2]

Out of context? I was agreeing with you. Like you said, populist movements can and have attract extremists. So its no surprise the far right feel enabled to jump on the Brexit one.

Apologies if I misconstrued the intent of your post...

 

[magicjuan]

In any movement there are extreme elements attracted to it, that cannot be denied.

In my youth, the hippie movement produced some superb music, but it also produced Manson and his Family.

Basically, you will never have a pure movement of any kind (no toilet jokes, please, Harry! ), whatever its persuasion, so it is not surprising that a Brexit march attracts the wrong sort.

This is not a sign of the times, but as I mentioned about decades ago, something that will always happen. But every movement, popular or otherwise, is hijacked nowadays - I'm with you on that.

The problem is with merging protests using the identifier of the yellow jackets. There are a collection of reasons why people in France and elsewhere are protesting. Some are hacked off with fuel prices, food prices, stagnating wages, rising costs of living and add to that the stirring of nationalism by continent wide medias pointing to immigration and collectively everyone of them has had enough of neo liberal corporatism. The world is a tinderbox.
All the issues are singularly iignored and have no overwhelming consensus, but together they display a growing unrest.
The problem is if they are directed in the wrong way. Those in power and wealthy are the targets, all symbols of authority are slowly being discredited and fought.
None of this is purely accidental. When you fragment societied in such an unequal fashion then rebellion is inevitable.
Brexit is a symptom of a much bigger issue and is being used to deflect the true problems we all face.