Current Affairs EU In or Out

[everton2004]

Shouldn't the current government have a plan though? Isn't that what there paid for?

Or where they that arrogant they thought they couldn't lose

Correct. How can people who are not in charge plan for Brexit? The current government should have had plans for both eventualities - the fact that they haven't is probably as you say.....arrogance that they thought the "Remain" vote was a sure thing. No wonder Cameron ran for the hills.

 

[Darth Vader]

You can't win an election and then expect the loser to do your job for you

How can the "Winner" do the job when they aren't in a postion to?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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I think you're conflating what the state gives/gets rather than what the country gives/gets. The latter tends to be a very positive picture, with the gain far outweighing any losses we might see from the state side of the equation. I've mentioned earlier in the post, for instance, that just on the free trade side of things vs the WTO rules we (the country rather than the government) are set to lose ~£4bn a year by virtue of higher tariffs on our exports.

 

[Zezti]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-80#post-4614490

No, they don't. Because the Leave campaign never presented a manifesto, or contingency plan. No one knows what's going to happen because no-one's tried to actually plan for the future away from the EU.

This is the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage using fears, dishonesty and misinformation to gain political advantage for themselves. And you lot walked straight into their palms.

So, I wasn't wrong then?

 

[Goat]

How can the "Winner" do the job when they aren't in a postion to?

Lets make Farge PM I say.

 

[Joey66]

I wonder what Skool he went too in the bash st class!lol

 

[Darth Vader]

So how much a year do we actually pay the EU?

 

[1966efc]

I think a lot of people who have the ability to do so, particularly young people will look to move overseas. Good luck with the move mate!

We have to wait for my Uncle Pat to die first! But we're doing our best to persuade him. lol

(Better say he's just turned 94.)

Then Wicklow here we come.

 

[bobbydigital]

My own view on access to the single market is as I said earlier;

Thank you. Good to see an actual opinion.

Personally, I think the EU is in a far stronger position and the UK is not as powerful as you think it is. Also to get this single market access we will have to concede free movement and the negative economic effects of the uncertainty caused are going to be very detrimental.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I do think there will be an early election, later this year after the election of a new Conservative leader - they won't want to repeat the mistake that Gordon Brown made in not seeking an electoral mandate as PM. Of course it will require a 2/3rds majority of the House of Commons first.

Given that it appears that the majority of Labour's core vote voted "Leave" I think they'd find it extremely difficult to do what you are suggesting.

Too early to say what the outcome may be, and it depends upon who the Tories elect as PM but paradoxically I think they've a greater chance of being elected under a "no revoke" banner than Labour.

A national coalition Government committed to "no revoke" created by a pro-European alliance of Labour, leftish Tories, PC, Northern Ireland members and the SNP might be the best route.

It will be interesting. Lets say, for instance, that a Brexit leader becomes new Conservative leader (almost certain), and Labour, Lib Dems, SNP et al all have 'remain' leaning candidates, might we see a complete shifting of the sands whereby traditional Labour voters go with the Tories, and vice versa, because the EU is such a hot topic.

 

[Goat]

So how much a year do we actually pay the EU?

In footballing terms almost 27 Niasses a week.

 

[Darth Vader]

So the PM doesn't have plan in place if the "Leave" vote wins, He just washes his hands of it, throws in the towel and quits?

Thanks for doing your job

 

[Goat]

So the PM doesn't have plan in place if the "Leave" vote wins, He just washes his hands of it, throws in the towel and quits?

Thanks for doing your job

And yet people expect Boris the clown to start doing it all when its not even his job.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How can the "Winner" do the job when they aren't in a postion to?

So not only do they not appear to have a plan, they're in no position to act out one even if they had one, yet people have felt sufficiently emboldened to make the biggest decision in a generation to support these people?

 

[Goat]

So not only do they not appear to have a plan, they're in no position to act out one even if they had one, yet people have felt sufficiently emboldened to make the biggest decision in a generation to support these people?

Thats the problem, people didnt support these people, they supported their ideas.