Nope - we've never left the EU so we stay in on current terms.
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Nope - we've never left the EU so we stay in on current terms.
Its actually democracy in action. Brexit cannot deliver what was promised in the original referendum. So now we know what it will actually mean for us then surely it has to go back to the people to vote again.
Don't be a sore loser.
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what happens if they vote out again, the latest polls show it would still be out so it could quite well go that way?
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The second vote will require an IQ test to be taken before being allowed into the polling station.
I love this idea that more democracy is somehow less democracy.
It's like saying we should have one General Election and then never have another, because doing it again would go against the will of the people.
The fact is the situation has changed and the initial referendum wasn't clear enough. Leave didn't mean Leave - it meant leaving in a certain way.
So the answer, to me, is obvious - go back to the people and ask them how they want to leave, and at the same time give them the choice of changing their mind altogether.
This is why referendums tend to be non-binary, because they're obviously subject to interpretation. Having the result of that referendum as binding would have been lunacy.
It's like saying we should have one General Election and then never have another, because doing it again would go against the will of the people.
The fact is the situation has changed and the initial referendum wasn't clear enough. Leave didn't mean Leave - it meant leaving in a certain way.
So the answer, to me, is obvious - go back to the people and ask them how they want to leave, and at the same time give them the choice of changing their mind altogether.
This is why referendums tend to be non-binary, because they're obviously subject to interpretation. Having the result of that referendum as binding would have been lunacy.
After they've passed the test on whether they know what the 'divorce bill' is, right?
Ha I know what you're saying, and get you're taking the mick a bit, but no - point of a referendum is to take the opinion of the whole country on board, whether they're thick or not.
zzr45
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Just ensure there's some garish celebrity humiliation programme on at the same time as the second vote. The terminally thick will be too busy wondering whether to bin off a faded 90's popstar or a member of the Hollyoaks cast to worry about Brexit.
It's half in jest. I'm not a fan of democracy at the best of times, but it only works if people are well informed. Without this, it's an utterly dreadful way of doing things. At the moment people aren't well informed at all, and indeed are in large parts wholly misinformed. That's a very dangerous basis upon which to be asking them their opinion. We wouldn't ask a bunch of vaccine conspiracy theorists how to run the NHS, yet in this, the ignorant have just as much of a vote as the well informed.
What is more alarming is just how much the vaccine folk and the brexiteers are or have been pandered to by the media
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Although this is what I was hoping for from the start, I'm starting to think that a second referendum should be taken off the table altogether. If (some) people are that hell bent to accept May's deal or no deal at all, then they are clearly not of sound mind.
It should be postponed pending something that makes a deal deliverable.
I posted a study the other week about how Brexit/Trump supporters were more inclined to believe conspiracy theories (and was accused of sneering elitism), but it's part of a wider body of work looking to understand the information people use to determine their stance on various topics, and how [un]reliable that information is. I did a talk in the Lords on this earlier in the year, but I'm not at all convinced that Westminster is ready to do anything about it as far too many inside that bubble are contributing to the misinformation malaise (and indeed profiting from it).
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