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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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If it wasn't so serious you'd cry laughing.Over the weekend Politicians of both parties talking about a better deal.
It's like someone going to buy an Audi A3 and the seller wants 12k the prospective buyer offers 3, the buyer says the price is the price!....prospective buyer stands in the rain outside the house in front of the car waiting for seller to change his mind.
 
Farage is not an MP ......
He led UKIP who grew in power to force a referendum that the public had wanted for years on the EU - Cameron obliged thinking it was a sure fire winner for Remain....
But you now predicted this would happen ......
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I don't believe that or ever remember seeing any poll to back that up. Can you help me out Joey?



The speed at which the EU have signed off on this deal should ring alarm bells very loudly, they are shafting us and it's all do to the absolutely shocking way the Tories and May have negotiated with the EU and Barnier, putty in their hands we've been.

There was only ever one way on this. Brexit is terrible for the UK so any negotiation with the EU was always going to end terribly for us. How could it be different?



The is no time for a 2nd referendum and May knows this it needs parliment Legislation not an amendment all's the government can do is vote it down which they will, then and then add many amendments to the deal for her to take back Keir Starmer cited this today- article 50 is statute in law now and she knows it the only way to squash this crap deal is depose her , and the tories have to do that....
a GE a peoples vote is just a pipedream more like the only option is WTO rules or someone a new leader to do what Trump did to the EU on tariffs, and they caved in in 2 days - she has been at it for 2 years plus and conceded everything......

A WTO Brexit that every expert says will be badly damaging to our economy for at least the next 10/15 years?
 
I don't believe that or ever remember seeing any poll to back that up. Can you help me out Joey?





There was only ever one way on this. Brexit is terrible for the UK so any negotiation with the EU was always going to end terribly for us. How could it be different?





A WTO Brexit that every expert says will be badly damaging to our economy for at least the next 10/15 years?
More remain guff .......... conservatives were losing votes to UKIP and two tory MPs were defecting to UKIP -
Cameron panicked......
 
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I'm pretty sure your new tactic is to write so much that is wrong in one post that it is just too much effort for anyone to address it.

Now Trump is your new hero, first Farage and Bannon then Rees Mogg, and now we finally arrive at Trump. It's a genuine shame to see you promote these awful people
We need a hard negotiator to get us out of this mess - the EU tried in on with the USA they warned tariffs on cars would treble they backed off in 2 days not 2 years......
Forget the personalities we needed a good negotiated deal it gone......
 
i dont mean everyone, but i think the average leave voter would take it...most people arent that interested in politics and are fed up of it
Not heard that many in fact its the first time I have heard remain and leave voters unite on the media that this is a very very bad costly deal - it would be easier to stay in the EU - 100 billion minimum is being quoted by and if the time they say we can leave........
 
I'm pretty sure your new tactic is to write so much that is wrong in one post that it is just too much effort for anyone to address it.

Now Trump is your new hero, first Farage and Bannon then Rees Mogg, and now we finally arrive at Trump. It's a genuine shame to see you promote these awful people
it's not wrong only amendments can be voted for in the house on this deal - as article 50 is passed in law ......i.e legislation which takes an age to push through by the March the 31st will be here she has played a snide blinder here, and the spineless fodder behind her have let her do it......
she needs removing asap.......
 
The is no time for a 2nd referendum and May knows this it needs parliment Legislation not an amendment all's the government can do is vote it down which they will, then and then add many amendments to the deal for her to take back Keir Starmer cited this today- article 50 is statute in law now and she knows it the only way to squash this crap deal is depose her , and the tories have to do that....
a GE a peoples vote is just a pipedream more like the only option is WTO rules or someone a new leader to do what Trump did to the EU on tariffs, and they caved in in 2 days - she has been at it for 2 years plus and conceded everything......
Well it is certainly true that time is short and the people with the authority to call a second referendum are completely opposed to it. (At the moment! Things change fast these days...!) I also agree that in itself it would not "sort the whole thing out". It would not, for example, address the issues of the Tory divisions on Europe that kicked this off, the relative popularity of UKIP as it was in the few years prior to the referendum, the misgivings significant numbers of people have about being in the EU, immigration, austerity to name a few important points.
But it would ascertain the extent to which the public, which is now confronting a couple of very specific versions of Leave, still wants its government/parliament to pursue either of those two options or whether it prefers the process to stop for now and another way to be found to address some of the issues listed above, however intractable some of them are.
Many of the processes we have been following for over 2 years now are unknown territory so I think it might be possible to get around Article 50 deadlines somehow. Pressing on headlong into one of two outcomes both of which are looking worse than the status quo seems inflexible at best and bloody-minded recklessness at worst. It sort of reminds me of the reasons for causing the process to start in the first place......try to placate the Tory right and keep them under one umbrella although May's deal is certainly not placating the hardline Brexiteers. Not sure they can actually be placated actually.

If it showed a swing in favour of the status quo it would be democratic to respect that although it would hopefully be followed by some sort of national commission to try to address the concerns listed above. If it showed a determination to press on with either of the two Leave options currently looming that would be hard to argue against and it would be time to put on our seat belts!!
 
The is no time for a 2nd referendum and May knows this it needs parliment Legislation not an amendment all's the government can do is vote it down which they will, then and then add many amendments to the deal for her to take back Keir Starmer cited this today- article 50 is statute in law now and she knows it the only way to squash this crap deal is depose her , and the tories have to do that....
a GE a peoples vote is just a pipedream more like the only option is WTO rules or someone a new leader to do what Trump did to the EU on tariffs, and they caved in in 2 days - she has been at it for 2 years plus and conceded everything......

The problem is Joe, Trump runs the biggest economy in the world. They would not cave in as easily for the UK, they have no need.

I am fairly open on possibilities. I hope it's not a no deal, as getting to work for me would be almost impossible, I suspect my company would go out of business and I'd be out of work. However there are pro's. Lets not kid ourselves that our negotiating position is like the Americans though.
 
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