Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

Well, as I said soon after the vote mate, no one asked us How we wanted to leave. Given the cards she was dealt, not entirely sure what she, or anyone else, could have done.

Oh come on 2&1/2 years of lies and a deal that is pathetic she was offered a Canada plus plus deal an age ago ....
She will pay the price for not standing up to EU bullies she will be remembered d as the worst PM ever ..
It's that bad trying to bribe cabinet members with knighthoods rumoured too....
Pathetic as I stated only big corporate businesses will be happy - Clegg and Blair having a laugh- it pathetic personified and the day after Brexit if you knew this was going to happen you should have gone to the bookmakers to retire for life......

 

[roydo]

and the day after Brexit if you knew this was going to happen you should have gone to the bookmakers to retire for life.

I didnt have a clue what would happen Joe. Thats the main reason I voted to remain. You however, seem to have believed the tripe served up on the Leave side, and ignored the tripe on the Remain side.

 

[Joey66]

I didnt have a clue what would happen Joe. Thats the main reason I voted to remain. You however, seem to have believed the tripe served up on the Leave side, and ignored the tripe on the Remain side.

Hey don't be that confident that a no deal is not of the menu as yet - as for a people's vote (another word for another referendum) that is legestration that has to go via Parliment procedure yes this deal can be voted down, but only amendements can be advised with time running out she has timed this brilliantly for herself not the people.........
The Tories can avoid a GE as the fixed term is in force , the Tories can overthrow her with an internal vote of no confidence ..... leaving maybe a suspension of article 50 and a renegotiation with some Brexitier who can flex a deal or we just stay in under another Tory leader......which would be suicide for the Tories.......
Labour will be made up with this for the next GE......

 

[Harryflashman]

It’s mad how easy everyone said and apparently plenty still believes this should have been yet Johnson , Raab , Davis , May and the rest have struggled so badly . Two of those previously mentioned it was their actual job to negotiate and yet here we are . Weird.

 

[roydo]

Hey don't be that confident that a no deal is not of the menu as yet - as for a people's vote (another word for another referendum) that is legestration that has to go via Parliment procedure yes this deal can be voted down, but only amendements can be advised with time running out she has timed this brilliantly for herself not the people.........
The Tories can avoid a GE as the fixed term is in force , the Tories can overthrow her with an internal vote of no confidence ..... leaving maybe a suspension of article 50 and a renegotiation with some Brexitier who can flex a deal or we just stay in under another Tory leader......which would be suicide for the Tories.......
Labour will be made up with this for the next GE......

Not confident of anything.

And I fail to see how a GE, Brexitier leader, or a Labour Party negotiator would alter anything at all.

 

[magicjuan]

I'd hoped the public themselves would have seized the means to control the chaos but they've allowed the narrative to be dictated by the faceless and nameless and their puppets.
In a age of globalism, corporatism and the worship of profit, the concept of democracy is disregarded, that itself should have brought about change, but if you look at the difference between British outrage and French...? Well...

 

[Joey66]

Not confident of anything.

And I fail to see how a GE, Brexitier leader, or a Labour Party negotiator would alter anything at all.

So WTO rules it will be then - just heard after March individual EU countries can veto any deal fishing, farming, etc etc that's why it took only 40 minutes for it to be ratified ...
Oh by the way the Spanish PM on Gibraltar is made up he has been given better powers than ever before.......if this pathetic deal is passed by the HOC......

 

[Joey66]

I'd hoped the public themselves would have seized the means to control the chaos but they've allowed the narrative to be dictated by the faceless and nameless and their puppets.
In a age of globalism, corporatism and the worship of profit, the concept of democracy is disregarded, that itself should have brought about change, but if you look at the difference between British outrage and French...? Well...

Yes they protested well Macron now banging on saying he wants our fishing waters a pure Eurocrat who will be out on his bum soon in France fuel rise of 25 percent........

 

[roydo]

So WTO rules it will be then - just heard after March individual EU countries can veto any deal fishing, farming, etc etc that's why it took only 40 minutes for it to be ratified ...
Oh by the way the Spanish PM on Gibraltar is made up he has been given better powers than ever before.......if this pathetic deal is passed by the HOC......

It wont be passed. Not in a million years. Its a mess, and seemingly a potential massive gamble being lost, caused by fools who believed the likes of Boris, Farage, and JRM.

 

[peteblue]

So WTO rules it will be then - just heard after March individual EU countries can veto any deal fishing, farming, etc etc that's why it took only 40 minutes for it to be ratified ...
Oh by the way the Spanish PM on Gibraltar is made up he has been given better powers than ever before.......if this pathetic deal is passed by the HOC......

I fear May and the EU have completely stitched us up. The EU have never agreed anything quickly, yet this agreement flew through. May will have made many concessions that we haven’t even heard about yet. I hope to God that this gets thrown out and that we leave without any agreement now. The EU are all saying this is the only deal. Well, it’s not good enough.......

 

[Joey66]

It wont be passed. Not in a million years. Its a mess, and seemingly a potential massive gamble being lost, caused by fools who believed the likes of Boris, Farage, and JRM.

Farage is not an MP ......
He led UKIP who grew in power to force a referendum that the public had wanted for years on the EU - Cameron obliged thinking it was a sure fire winner for Remain....
But you now predicted this would happen ......
This I am afraid is another victory for the EU overturning yet another referendum which like @peteblue I feel has been a stiched up since Brexit a remainer PM and a top civil servant Remainer coming up with a whitewash leaving under WTO rules looks attractive to this joke of a deal - it will be voted out and one day the EU will fall and we will then pay the price........
Project fear wins the day......

 

[peteblue]

Project fear 3 will be released next week folks......

 

[magicjuan]

It wont be passed. Not in a million years. Its a mess, and seemingly a potential massive gamble being lost, caused by fools who believed the likes of Boris, Farage, and JRM.

That is extremely disingenuous if you're referring to the electorate.
A decision was made and handed to parliament to carry out. As is usual the careerists decided to fudge the decision for their own interests, across the board, and in doing so have completely undermined the centuries of hard fought for democratic process and rendered the 'mother of all parliaments' a complete joke and unnecessary inconvenience to the British people.
That some are whining over the 'loss from Europe' nobody is paying any attention to the loss from this country.
This isn't about nationalism or patriotism, far from it, it's about what level of control you allow the state to have.
All the right wingers on here moan about state interference, the left about accountability, nobody talks about devolving decisions and control to the people themselves.
Watch it all disappear in a couple of years.

 

[edge]

That is extremely disingenuous if you're referring to the electorate.
A decision was made and handed to parliament to carry out. As is usual the careerists decided to fudge the decision for their own interests, across the board, and in doing so have completely undermined the centuries of hard fought for democratic process and rendered the 'mother of all parliaments' a complete joke and unnecessary inconvenience to the British people.
That some are whining over the 'loss from Europe' nobody is paying any attention to the loss from this country.
This isn't about nationalism or patriotism, far from it, it's about what level of control you allow the state to have.
All the right wingers on here moan about state interference, the left about accountability, nobody talks about devolving decisions and control to the people themselves.
Watch it all disappear in a couple of years.

good post agree

 

[edge]

I fear May and the EU have completely stitched us up. The EU have never agreed anything quickly, yet this agreement flew through. May will have made many concessions that we haven’t even heard about yet. I hope to God that this gets thrown out and that we leave without any agreement now. The EU are all saying this is the only deal. Well, it’s not good enough.......

wouldn't put it past her to get it through pete, she always somehow manages to stumble through somehow.