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[Joey66]

So reading the bolded bit, Irish citizens will need to apply for settled status. That contradicts everything you have said in the last few pages. You clearly have no idea yourself what you are on about so it's unsurprising that no-one else has any idea either.

Right the proposed brexit May deal-
Once the UK leaves the EU, its only land border with the bloc will be the 310-mile line between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Decisions need to be made about how to manage the movement of people and goods across that border.

The UK, Ireland and the EU have all committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area (CTA), which has been in place for most of the period since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. The CTA allows free movement of British and Irish citizens between the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and provides access to various government services in each country.

Ireland will continue to allow freedom of movement for citizens of the other 26 EU member states. The UK envisages using inland controls, through the access to labour markets and social security, to enforce immigration policy without requiring checks on people crossing the Irish border.

 

[Joey66]

Kudos to her having guts to take these questions

It like a gramophone spurting out the same rhetoric when she knows she will lose the vote, and did not say what will happen when she does lose the vote in the HOC......
Too many lies are biting her in the bum.........

 

[Harryflashman]

Right the proposed brexit May deal-
Once the UK leaves the EU, its only land border with the bloc will be the 310-mile line between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Decisions need to be made about how to manage the movement of people and goods across that border.

The UK, Ireland and the EU have all committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area (CTA), which has been in place for most of the period since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. The CTA allows free movement of British and Irish citizens between the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and provides access to various government services in each country.

Ireland will continue to allow freedom of movement for citizens of the other 26 EU member states. The UK envisages using inland controls, through the access to labour markets and social security, to enforce immigration policy without requiring checks on people crossing the Irish border.

Genuinely that’s an actual answer so thanks for posting I can see it restricting access to the benefits system the likes of the labour market good luck with that but at least after a couple of years we can use words like ‘envisages ‘ . Envisages , hopes to discuss , in the future etc it’s all meaningless isn’t it ?

 

[Harryflashman]

It like a gramophone spurting out the same rhetoric when she knows she will lose the vote, and did not say what will happen when she does lose the vote in the HOC......
Too many lies are biting her in the bum.........

I don’t like her but in that situation she clearly believes that we’re better off in the EU so would you rather she said that ? If she does she’s finished and any deal of whatever colour is finished , it’s a car crash of a situation .

 

[Joey66]

I don’t like her but in that situation she clearly believes that we’re better off in the EU so would you rather she said that ? If she does she’s finished and any deal of whatever colour is finished , it’s a car crash of a situation .

She has lied since day one.... her Lancaster house speech etc.......

 

[Joey66]

Genuinely that’s an actual answer so thanks for posting I can see it restricting access to the benefits system the likes of the labour market igood luck with that but at least after a couple of years we can use words like ‘envisages ‘ . Envisages , hopes to discuss , in the future etc it’s all meaningless isn’t it ?

Yes it's never going to get passed , but the agreement in the early in 1900s when the republic had a different currency still stands - gosh like many my great grand father came from the Republic of Ireland like many who came to Liverpool in that era to seek employment with our docks Liverpool was always a multi cultural society in my youth , and proud of it!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Yes it's never going to get passed , but the agreement in the early in 1900s when the republic had a different currency still stands - gosh like many my great grand father came from the Republic of Ireland like many who came to Liverpool in that era to seek employment with our docks Liverpool was always a multi cultural society in my youth , and proud of it!

Eh ? There was no Republic of Ireland in the early 1900s let alone one with a different currency. You are talking bobbins yet again and contradicted your own post above.

 

[Joey66]

Eh ? There was no Republic of Ireland in the early 1900s let alone one with a different currency. You are talking bobbins yet again and contradicted your own post above.

The UK, Ireland and the EU have all committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area (CTA), which has been in place for most of the period since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. The CTA allows free movement of British and Irish citizens between the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and provides access to various government services in each country.


@Harryflashman understood this you obviously cannot -

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The UK, Ireland and the EU have all committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area (CTA), which has been in place for most of the period since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. The CTA allows free movement of British and Irish citizens between the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and provides access to various government services in each country.


@Harryflashman understood this you obviously cannot -

Oh I understand it alright but that is not what you said above. Which, if you care to read your post again, stated that the Republic of Ireland had a different currency in the "early 1900s". Again, there was no Republic of Ireland then let alone one which had a different currency. You obviously cannot understand this simple fact.

 

[Joey66]

Oh I understand it alright but that is not what you said above. Which, if you care to read your post again, stated that the Republic of Ireland had a different currency in the "early 1900s". Again, there was no Republic of Ireland then let alone one which had a different currency. You obviously cannot understand this simple fact.

quote Clement Attlee, who seriously considered introducing a raft of measures in response, including the imposition of border controls and treating Irish nationals in Britain as “aliens”.

In the end, it was decided that the Irish would continue to occupy a “special position” as neither citizens nor aliens. Under this arrangement, Irish people living in Britain were given the same rights as British citizens.

Nothing will change despite you and the EU stating otherwise.........

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

quote Clement Attlee, who seriously considered introducing a raft of measures in response, including the imposition of border controls and treating Irish nationals in Britain as “aliens”.

In the end, it was decided that the Irish would continue to occupy a “special position” as neither citizens nor aliens. Under this arrangement, Irish people living in Britain were given the same rights as British citizens.

Nothing will change despite you and the EU stating otherwise.........

No I didn't, you did in your post above. You don't actually read anything you post do you.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

In fairness to joe I’d suspect that’s the government’s line that they’ll say that there isn’t any doesn’t mean they can stop anyone though .

No mate. Joey makes things up and when he is caught he throws the 'wind up' shout in. You've specifically asked him a question on here in the last page or two and he's came out with babble again. Joey is propagating his own campaign on here, much akin to the lies told during the Referendum campaign. The quality of some of the responses on here are phenomenal at times (Marc O'Silver, NSNO Chris, khalekan, yourself, etc etc) but the drivel that comes back at you from some posters is sadly predictable. "You lost" "17.5 million", "Who wants to live in an institution?", and so on. Laughable.....

 

[Harryflashman]

The UK, Ireland and the EU have all committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area (CTA), which has been in place for most of the period since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. The CTA allows free movement of British and Irish citizens between the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and provides access to various government services in each country.


@Harryflashman understood this you obviously cannot -

I do get it joe but it’s a bit meaningless and mostly irrelevant to much of the debate we’re having . The Republic Are and would always be a special case and have been treated as such , rightly so . I’m not sure any of that deals with the problems we keep raising other than exacerbating them .

The Island of Ireland will continue to be the biggest issue with this whole debate and to be frank vague lines about technology or future intentions just doesn’t deal with it.

I’m rapidly moving towards the idea that this Brexit vote to preserve our national identity is going to lead to the break up of the U.K. as we know it and that just seems insane .

(Also in my earlier post about Id cards I obviously meant they’d cost billions and not millions but I missed the edit deadline )

 

[Armaghtoffee]

How hard will it be to stop people from the EU when the visa system is in place - same difference - they did quote last night the stoppage of free movement is all that may has achieved, but Irish people would be ok eg because of the irish border etc its madness all round her bill will be defeated and then imo either a GE in the end or she will be outed in a vote of no confidence by her own party in a no confidence vote is the more likely - she is a walking disaster and oh by the way any country can veto our trade deals in the future as it is no set in law..... so the very first thing we should have had on the table was a trade deal has been rushed and is not law.......
As it stands we are better to remain than leave her deal is that bad for every voter in or out.......

Joe, I believe the point @Harryflashman is trying to make is when a plane lands in the U.K. from Belfast, how do you determine who is Irish and who isn’t? Either you check the whole plane or you check no one at all.

Which is it to be?

 

[orchard]

Joe, I believe the point @Harryflashman is trying to make is when a plane lands in the U.K. from Belfast, how do you determine who is Irish and who isn’t? Either you check the whole plane or you check no one at all.

Which is it to be?

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