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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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It’s true that there is no majority for a no deal Brexit, but that may not matter
MPs may have missed their chance to prevent a no-deal Brexit already.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...ere-no-majority-no-deal-brexit-may-not-matter

It’s become a commonplace among pro-European MPs of all parties to say that there is no majority in parliament for a no-deal Brexit, whether those MPs favour a second referendum for the United Kingdom to leave the political project of the European Union but to remain within the single market and customs union, or no Brexit at all.

And as far as the parliament elected in 2017 goes, this is true. If there were a straight-up vote on whether or not to leave without a deal today, “No Deal” would be defeated and it wouldn’t be close.

But the problem is that this was not true for the parliament elected in 2015, which voted by a overwhelming margin to trigger Article 50, kicking off the two-year process where the United Kingdom negotiates its exit from the European Union. The wording of Article 50 is very clear on this: assuming that no accord between the departing nation and the rest of the European Union within two years, the departing nation leaves without one. In voting to trigger Article 50 without passing any amendments to bind the government’s hands, MPs left the potential of No Deal open, and crucially within the control of the executive, not the legislature.

The problem for anyone wanting to avert No Deal is twofold: the first is that it isn’t clear whether the United Kingdom can revoke Article 50 unilaterally or only after negotiation with the rest of the European Union, though an important court case at the European Court of Justice will confirm that one way or the other. But equally importantly, it is the British executive that controls the legislative timetable and that makes it very difficult to see how Article 50 can be revoked unless whoever’s in Downing Street wants to do so. The current occupant, Theresa May, does not want to do that. Any replacement from within the Conservative Party is highly unlikely to be able to do that, even if they want to (and the dynamics of the Tory leadership election make it hard to see how any winning candidate won’t have had to pledge not to).

So, yes: there is no parliamentary majority for No Deal today. But it is far from certain that that matters very much.
 
Rory Stewart has apologised after making up a Brexit statistic during an interview on Radio 5.

Speaking to presenter Emma Barnett, the justice minister claimed that 80% of the British public supported the prime minister’s Brexit deal.

Pressed as to where he had got the information, he said: “I’m producing a number to illustrate what I believe.”

He later added, “I totally apologise and I take that back”.


:D Too bad the bus has already been painted and is ready to go with this new catchy slogan: '80% of the British Public support this deal, so why don't you?'
 
Corbyn and McDonald won’t, that’s for sure.

But the Parliamentary Labour Party at large?

That is a different matter.

Corbyn is hated by dozens of his own MPs as much as May is hated by hers.

This would be the ideal time for a rebel leader to garner support for May among them.

For them it would be a twofer....sticking it up to Corbyn and the right wing of the Tory Party at the same time :dance:

The chance of General election will always bring them to heel now and chance of that is much closer today than the beginning of the week. Any decent towards Corbyn would be asking for signing political death warrant the the vast majority Labour vote.
 
100%. Referendum/referenda are not the way to do things.


I am not a great lover of them but they can be beneficial.

As the Republic has shown with Gay Marriage and the Right To Choose, people can make informed choices and vote accordingly, when the choices are stark.

It is the absolute vagueness of what was put up for vote in the Brexit vote that sowed the seeds for this mayhem.

Hardly anyone, myself included, was voting with a clear understanding of what the consequences might be.
 
If it's any consolation, Verhofstadt was just on the radio and was pleased with the deal. If it gets voted down there will be no deal, no renegotiation. All the hard-brexit preparations are nearly finished, according to him.

I think the fact that the EU is pleased with the deal and Westminster is upset by the deal tells you just how much she has capitulated....
 
Lads I have an idea.

Remember that show Quantum Leap? I’ll volunteer to jump into Mays body just after she’s been put in charge and be all ‘NO BREXIT’ along the way I’ll fix your lives too. Maybe.

More realistic than this.
 
100%. Referendum/referenda are not the way to do things.

No can't trust them, especially if they are just doing it to act out on other issues. I found this which pretty much sums up most people who voted to leave...take that establishment!

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