Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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May doesn’t want us to leave the EU.

I wonder whether she has agreed this Dufff deal with a view to parliament rejecting it, forcing a general election and a hope that a new referendum will be agreed by the new government.

She couldn’t agree a new referendum on her watch.
 
bullybeef said:
May doesn’t want us to leave the EU.

I wonder whether she has agreed this Dufff deal with a view to parliament rejecting it, forcing a general election and a hope that a new referendum will be agreed by the new government.

She couldn’t agree a new referendum on her watch.
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...can’t see that, she won’t want a GE and the possibility of a Corbyn government and she will want to be PM for as long as possible.

I think she’s cocked up by being too parochial. She was never going to get consensus in her party so she shoud’ve worked across parties for a deal that would get consensus in Parliament. That would’ve been her legacy.
 
BlueToff said:
But we couldn't just 'walk away'.

I keep having this argument with my Dad.

Look, I voted out, but No Deal wasn't good. I'm not saying this deal is good, I don't have the time or inclination to look it all through. I've seen some of the major points and some are okay, some are good (EU nationals staying, British citizens staying etc) and some seem crap (£39billion severance package, for what?, and then isn't there still something that the EU will keep enforcing their tariffs?)

I don't really understand the Irish border thing enough but from my pov it seems that it's generally okay to have something that means there'll be free movement/trade still in place).

I just want it all done with. It's been two-and-a-half years of bulls**t from all involved parties (OUT, IN, the UK gov and the EU), without anything getting done.
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The EU have played us exactly like that, not given an inch, batted back every cap in hand proposal, giving the impression no deal was a distinct possibility when all along they knew they would be making a deal, they just played hardball to get as big a slice of the pie and things to their advantage, we should have done the same.

We should have drafted Trump in to do it for us, he'd have threatened a 20% tariff on German and French cars, remember we buy more from the EU than we sell, thousands and thousands of jobs depend on our trade in the EU, we had cards to hold and play.

The EU always wanted a deal, May has been as weak as is gets negotiating all this.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
He's right, it's a crap deal, May will never get it through Parliament, which could mean it could go back to the people and have a vote on it, May's deal, No Deal, or stay in Europe, and we'll end up staying if that happened.
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if there are 3 decisions the vote is gonna get split and one decision is gonna win by default, another referendum will be so messy
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
The EU have played us exactly like that, not given an inch, batted back every cap in hand proposal, giving the impression no deal was a distinct possibility when all along they knew they would be making a deal, they just played hardball to get as big a slice of the pie and things to their advantage, we should have done the same.

We should have drafted Trump in to do it for us, he'd have threatened a 20% tariff on German and French cars, remember we buy more from the EU than we sell, thousands and thousands of jobs depend on our trade in the EU, we had cards to hold and play.

The EU always wanted a deal, May has been as weak as is gets negotiating all this.
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That would work, or maybe a Pinochet clone if trump was too busy tweeting.
 
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