Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You'd think Pete with all of his years of experience trading with the world would be all too well aware that any negotiating position is only as strong as your next best alternative. The EU, for all its apparent sclerosis, is signing deals with the likes of Canada and Japan. Britain, despite Davis' bluster about having dozens of trade deals signed and sealed already, have bugger all in the pipeline for March and would fall back on WTO terms that only the weakest nations in the world rely upon. Yes lads, it's May who is weak, not the fundamental Brexit proposition.

You would, yes. But then again we're all clueless except him apparently so its not surprising.

 

[peteblue]

You'd think Pete with all of his years of experience trading with the world would be all too well aware that any negotiating position is only as strong as your next best alternative. The EU, for all its apparent sclerosis, is signing deals with the likes of Canada and Japan. Britain, despite Davis' bluster about having dozens of trade deals signed and sealed already, have bugger all in the pipeline for March and would fall back on WTO terms that only the weakest nations in the world rely upon. Yes lads, it's May who is weak, not the fundamental Brexit proposition.

We are in this position because we are following the rules that state that we cannot do a deal while in the EU, while in parallel the EU have no such handbrake. The U.K. of course, being simple minded and fair, should really have told the EU that we would veto any such deal unless they transfer straight to the U.K. afterwards.....

 

[peteblue]

You would, yes. But then again we're all clueless except him apparently so its not surprising.

Well, you are anyway.....

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

It seems that the arch Brexiteers main strategy is to tell the EU to eff off and walk out without paying the bill.

This will really look good when it come to the UK negotiating future trade deals.

To be fair, I agree with Pete that we have been crap in negotiations with them tricky EU bods. Our Head negotiators? May, Davis (really?), Johnson (bottled the Leader bid, terrible foreign sec, left the cabinet and hasn’t shut up since) and Raab (rabid anti EU). No wonder we are in deadlock.

 

[peteblue]

To be fair, I agree with Pete that we have been crap in negotiations with them tricky EU bods. Our Head negotiators? May, Davis (really?), Johnson (bottled the Leader bid, terrible foreign sec, left the cabinet and hasn’t shut up since) and Raab (rabid anti EU). No wonder we are in deadlock.

We agree for once.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We are in this position because we are following the rules that state that we cannot do a deal while in the EU, while in parallel the EU have no such handbrake. The U.K. of course, being simple minded and fair, should really have told the EU that we would veto any such deal unless they transfer straight to the U.K. afterwards.....

So did our chief EU negotiator not know these rules prior to making his statement that we'd have lots signed up by now? I feel there's a clue somewhere as to why things are not going so well...

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Well, you are anyway.....

Resorting to insulting people again instead of debating the point. Standard.

 

[peteblue]

So did our chief EU negotiator not know these rules prior to making his statement that we'd have lots signed up by now? I feel there's a clue somewhere as to why things are not going so well...

I think you will find that he knew the rules. He always knew that nothing could be signed while in the EU. Only the government knows where we are in getting ready for signature. I would guess that, Australia, NZ, Canada, USA , Japan, China, India, Chile, Brazil follow in quick succession, but who knows, certainly not you or I.....

 

[peteblue]

Resorting to insulting people again instead of debating the point. Standard.

You really don’t understand me do you.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think you will find that he knew the rules. He always knew that nothing could be signed while in the EU. Only the government knows where we are in getting ready for signature. I would guess that, Australia, NZ, Canada, USA , Japan, China, India, Chile, Brazil follow in quick succession, but who knows, certainly not you or I.....

Probably strengthens their hand to keep these great deals secret.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

We agree for once.....

Yes, the Tories are crap. Still waiting for your answer to my question from about page 143 on the other thread.....

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

We agree for once.....

Incidentally, my point was that the Brexiteers themselves had/have the opportunity to conduct these negotiations but bottled/botched it.

 

[peteblue]

Yes, the Tories are crap. Still waiting for your answer to my question from about page 143 on the other thread.....

It’s late.....

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

It’s late.....

I’m used to the deflection mate, don’t worry. Just you crack on.

 

[peteblue]

Incidentally, my point was that the Brexiteers themselves had/have the opportunity to conduct these negotiations but bottled/botched it.

Yes. I thought it was a major mistake for Davis and Boris to resign. They’ve done sod all out of cabinet and should have stayed in the cabinet to influence and stiffen resolve......