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So basically, their focus is on their deal with the EU rather than ours, they don't want to get caught up in the loopy visions of Brexiters, Australian companies mainly use the UK as a gateway into the single market so will have to assess their investments accordingly, and they know we're weak and will squeeze hard. I reckon they're good at this negotiation lark, don't you @peteblue ?

So throughout this thread the brexit loons have been advocating binning the likes of Slovakia in order to have better trade deals with these former colonies on the otherside of the world.... But alas theyre not really interested.. Surprise surprise.. We didn't see that coming *rolls eyes*
 
The Australian trade minister and their foreign secretary had meeting with there UK counterparts in july this year, there quotes afterwards are widely available to google ect ,they want a deal as quick as possible.
NZ trade currently with the EU is nearly 25% from the UK so cant see them ignoring that so count them in as well , again widely published as wanting a deal.
here is the official NZ line off there ministry of trade site not some fella on twitter or what ever.
United Kingdom and New Zealand Free trade agreement
Key Developments
  • The UK launched domestic consultations on a future free trade agreement with New Zealand on 18 July, which is open until 26 October. This follows earlier statements by the UK government identifying New Zealand, together with the US and Australia, as priorities for negotiating bilateral FTAs following its departure from the EU.
  • The UK is expected to be able to engage in trade negotiations with third parties once it leaves the EU in March 2019. However, it will be unable to ratify or implement any trade agreements in its own right during any transition period that may follow its departure.
What is New Zealand doing?
  • New Zealand continues to engage the UK through regular political-level engagement and an officials-level trade policy dialogue to lay the groundwork for the launch of bilateral free trade agreement negotiations.
  • New Zealand will also provide input to the UK consultation process.
  • For more information about the public consultation, including how you can make submissions, visit the UK Department of International Trade’s website (external link).
 
..I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Tory’s mount a concerted anti-Europe campaign, making them out to be the bad guys in all of this. The objective to get the majority of the British public behind them and fervently against the European governments.

There was some thread going round twitter from some insider or other saying that this is exactly what they're going to do.
 
When I said some countries have a beef with the UK going onto WTO tariffs, here is solid proof.

Sorry about the bad spelling. It's American.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...KsPcGRqeIaS_wHjaLCOymGmFA15ZUdOFgVRdGyi_jP1-g


The U.K.’s post-Brexit access to $1.7 trillion in public projects relies on the good will of its European neighbors. Too bad Moldova holds a grudge.

The tiny country wedged between Romania and Ukraine is joining half a dozen nations in blocking the U.K.’s re-entry to the World Trade Organization’s Government Procurement Agreement, an accord that smooths the bidding process on public contracts, including in the $837 billion U.S. market.

Why the hold-up? Corina Cojocaru, Moldova’s economic counselor to the WTO, and her team were denied entry to the U.K. last year when they wanted to discuss their future relationship with Britain after it leaves the European Union.

And Cojocaru has a good memory.

“I couldn’t get a visa and a diplomatic passport to go to London to negotiate on government procurement,” Cojocaru said in a telephone interview. “Nobody listened to us for six to seven months.”
Cojocaru later clarified that the London trip wasn’t taken in the context of negotiations on the GPA. The U.K. Home Office, which processes visa requests, didn’t immediately comment.
Diplomatic Slight

Brexit backers have wooed Britain with their vision of a buccaneering future as a global trading nation clinching new deals in markets that were previous closed off to them because of their membership in the 28-nation bloc. The reality may be that they’ll be held ransom by every country, like Moldova, that has suffered personal affronts.

For Cojocaru, the diplomatic slight is emblematic of a broader issue: If her delegation wasn’t able to get visas in a timely manner, how could Moldovan suppliers seeking to bid on projects in the U.K. be expected to compete with vendors from nations that have an easier time gaining entry?
To read more about U.K. efforts to gain entry to the GPA, click here
Moldova was joined by the U.S., New Zealand Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, and Israel in expressing concern that the U.K. application didn’t pass muster, according to officials familiar with the accession procedure. U.S. reticence was due to the U.K.’s failure to provide requested information and updates.

The purpose of the GPA is to open up government procurement markets to foreign competition, and help make the process more transparent. British officials argue that the U.K. is a special case and should receive expedited approval because it’s already a member -- although it has never independently ratified the agreement -- and can simply replicate its current commitments, deriving from its EU-membership status.
Trade Concessions

While all members of the GPA want to retain access to the U.K.’s 67 billion-pound ($88 billion) public procurement marketplace, they’re still willing to use the opportunity to squeeze some concessions. Some members are seeking increased access to projects such as Britain’s high-speed railways, a Heathrow airport expansion and government IT networks, among others.
And since a majority of the WTO’s agreements are forged by consensus, as is the GPA, each country wields considerable power. GPA members will consider a provisional agreement to the U.K.’s accession bid at the next WTO government procurement committee meeting on Nov. 27.
The U.S., New Zealand and other WTO members have pressed the U.K. to ensure that Brexit doesn’t prevent their companies’ ability to sell more products like lamb, beef and chicken into the U.K. market. The U.S. and New Zealand have already begun procedural moves that presage talks to establish free-trade agreements.
The U.K. will need to iron out its accession difficulties with the other accord members soon, with Britain scheduled to leave the EU on March 29. But as Brexit negotiations reach a crescendo, it’s becoming apparent that any detail, however small, can throw a wrench in the U.K.’s attempt to leave the EU with as little disruption as possible.


On Wednesday, after the U.K. bid to join the GPA stalled, “the U.K. minister for immigration contacted our ambassador in London,” Cojocaru said. “I hope they will be able to find a compromise.”

Looking forward to those blue skies...
 
Why the hold-up? Corina Cojocaru, Moldova’s economic counselor to the WTO, and her team were denied entry to the U.K. last year when they wanted to discuss their future relationship with Britain after it leaves the European Union.

And Cojocaru has a good memory.

“I couldn’t get a visa and a diplomatic passport to go to London to negotiate on government procurement,” Cojocaru said in a telephone interview. “Nobody listened to us for six to seven months.”
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And they want the government to 'manage' migration. *sigh*
 
The Australian trade minister and their foreign secretary had meeting with there UK counterparts in july this year, there quotes afterwards are widely available to google ect ,they want a deal as quick as possible.
NZ trade currently with the EU is nearly 25% from the UK so cant see them ignoring that so count them in as well , again widely published as wanting a deal.
here is the official NZ line off there ministry of trade site not some fella on twitter or what ever.
United Kingdom and New Zealand Free trade agreement
Key Developments
  • The UK launched domestic consultations on a future free trade agreement with New Zealand on 18 July, which is open until 26 October. This follows earlier statements by the UK government identifying New Zealand, together with the US and Australia, as priorities for negotiating bilateral FTAs following its departure from the EU.
  • The UK is expected to be able to engage in trade negotiations with third parties once it leaves the EU in March 2019. However, it will be unable to ratify or implement any trade agreements in its own right during any transition period that may follow its departure.
What is New Zealand doing?
  • New Zealand continues to engage the UK through regular political-level engagement and an officials-level trade policy dialogue to lay the groundwork for the launch of bilateral free trade agreement negotiations.
  • New Zealand will also provide input to the UK consultation process.
  • For more information about the public consultation, including how you can make submissions, visit the UK Department of International Trade’s website (external link).

The argument isn't that New Zealand and the UK won't agree a free trade deal. The argument is how is a free trade deal with New Zealand going to help the UK? UK exports next to nothing there. NZ basically only exports agricultural goods and will insist on removing tariffs and quotas from agricultural products. Basically all such a deal would really achieve is damage to a lot of UK farmers.

Of course NZ, like many other countries are open to a deal. Who wouldn't consider a deal when you don't need to make any concessions because the other side is absolutely desperate.
 
The argument isn't that New Zealand and the UK won't agree a free trade deal. The argument is how is a free trade deal with New Zealand going to help the UK? UK exports next to nothing there. NZ basically only exports agricultural goods and will insist on removing tariffs and quotas from agricultural products. Basically all such a deal would really achieve is damage to a lot of UK farmers.

Of course NZ, like many other countries are open to a deal. Who wouldn't consider a deal when you don't need to make any concessions because the other side is absolutely desperate.
There isn't much difference in what we import and export to them 1.5 billion. To 1.3 in NZ money, that's without a deal in place of course, they import a lot of agricultural machinery from here.
 
The argument isn't that New Zealand and the UK won't agree a free trade deal. The argument is how is a free trade deal with New Zealand going to help the UK? UK exports next to nothing there. NZ basically only exports agricultural goods and will insist on removing tariffs and quotas from agricultural products. Basically all such a deal would really achieve is damage to a lot of UK farmers.

Of course NZ, like many other countries are open to a deal. Who wouldn't consider a deal when you don't need to make any concessions because the other side is absolutely desperate.
The New Zealand ambassador has been on stand by to do deals and help us after Brexit.......
May has moved like a snail......
 
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