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[peteblue]

From a Sky report, highlighting a view from NI....

“How can the UK negotiate new independent trade deals after Brexit for Northern Ireland?

DUP leader Arlene Foster was given an uncompromising message from Michel Barnier that it would not be possible to apply such deals to Northern Ireland without the consent of the EU, presumably to protect against the perception that future UK governments would lower food standards to win trade deals.

It is this in particular that has raised anger among the unionists, who just happen to prop up the government of Theresa May.

And the local MP in Larne? The town is a DUP stronghold and its MP is the uncompromising hardliner Sammy Wilson, also the DUP's spokesman.

He picks me up in his white transit van, used to service his gardening hobby, and we go to a beautiful spot on the coast overlooking the approach to the harbour.

You can see the mainland from here across the Irish Sea.

He points to the arriving afternoon ferry telling me "there will be no border on that boat, no border in the Irish Sea", and "never" will he vote for a Brexit deal with a backstop as currently being discussed.

He rejects the idea, as repeatedly suggested by Mr Barnier, that his town and the whole of Northern Ireland itself will reap a bonanza from being the only part of a third country able to export freely to the EU and all of its free trade partners, and the rest of the UK itself.

Legal and judicial coherence and the application of UK government negotiated trade deals to Northern Ireland is a red line.

And it is a red line that seems incompatible with that of Ireland and the European Union.

Echoing Conservative Brexiteers, he argues that now the EU acknowledges that some borders can be made virtual by technology, that should apply at the UK-Republic of Ireland border, in some way, and the UK should leave on a Canada-style free trade deal with the EU.

He rejects the idea that such compromises are required to protect the Irish peace process, and accuses the EU of ratcheting up tensions by using the issue for Brexit negotiation leverage.”

This is what the likes of Barnier will never understand. The EU and Europeans have no historical or emotional attachment to Ireland, it’s just part of their negotiation........

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I’m sorry, but I’m afraid that is precisely what the EU are doing. Everyone wants freedom of daily movement for the whole of Ireland, to maintain the peace process and ensure both economies do well. But I’m sorry, but it is the EU that will not move on this. The U.K. government is tearing itself apart trying to get a solution....

.....by rejecting every single proposal put forward by the EU to resolve this issue. So on the contrary it is the UK government that won't budge and we all know why - to appease the DUP so as to protect their own skins.

 

[peteblue]

.....by rejecting every single proposal put forward by the EU to resolve this issue. So on the contrary it is the UK government that won't budge and we all know why - to appease the DUP so as to protect their own skins.

Every single proposal put forward by the EU requires one part of the U.K. to be split from the rest, and they knew exactly what they were doing. The EU have rejected any proposal utilising technology or process in order to have this negotiating point. You don’t see it, I get that.....

 

[peteblue]

@Bruce Wayne , perhaps you could move posts 31462- 31469 to the Irish Brexit thread.....sorry.......

Edited......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Every single proposal put forward by the EU requires one part of the U.K. to be split from the rest, and they knew exactly what they were doing. The EU have rejected any proposal utilising technology or process in order to have this negotiating point. You don’t see it, I get that.....

Incorrect, checking goods crossing the Irish Sea does not require one part of the UK to be split from the rest. You don't see it, I get that.

 

[peteblue]

Incorrect, checking goods crossing the Irish Sea does not require one part of the UK to be split from the rest. You don't see it, I get that.

Then perhaps you could check goods from the ROI to the EU if it’s not splitting as you say......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I’m sorry, but I’m afraid that is precisely what the EU are doing. Everyone wants freedom of daily movement for the whole of Ireland, to maintain the peace process and ensure both economies do well. But I’m sorry, but it is the EU that will not move on this. The U.K. government is tearing itself apart trying to get a solution....

No Pete they aren’t.

The U.K. Government has aligned with the right wing/loyalist/homophobic DUP to save their skin ahead of what is best for Britain and Ireland.

 

[Khalekan]

This is what the likes of Barnier will never understand. The EU and Europeans have no historical or emotional attachment to Ireland, it’s just part of their negotiation........

You really do cut a ridiculous, Colonel Blimp type figure when it comes to Ireland, Pete.

Mr. Barnier has consistently displayed a greater “understanding” of what NI needs after Brexit than your good self or like minded souls in the clueless wing of the Tory party do.

Here is what Mr. Barnier “understands”.

He understands that the majority of people in NI voted Remain.

He understands that around half the voters in NI vote for parties that want to leave the UK, never mind the EU.

He understands that there will soon be a majority in NI voting for these parties and that a Border Poll will be held sooner rather than later.

In short, Mr. Barnier understands that the North of Ireland is a whole nother country when compared to the North of England and as such demands a much different Brexit model and he has offered NI a fantastic, unique deal which the CBI in NI warmly welcome.

You, on the other hand, “understand” absolutely nowt about Ireland, north or south.

As your rhetoric proves on an almost hourly basis.

 

[peteblue]

You really do cut a ridiculous, Colonel Blimp type figure when it comes to Ireland, Pete.

Mr. Barnier has consistently displayed a greater “understanding” of what NI needs after Brexit than your good self or like minded souls in the clueless wing of the Tory party do.

Here is what Mr. Barnier “understands”.

He understands that the majority of people in NI voted Remain.

He understands that around half the voters in NI vote for parties that want to leave the UK, never mind the EU.

He understands that there will soon be a majority in NI voting for these parties and that a Border Poll will be held sooner rather than later.

In short, Mr. Barnier understands that the North of Ireland is a whole nother country when compared to the North of England and as such demands a much different Brexit model and he has offered NI a fantastic, unique deal which the CBI in NI warmly welcome.

You, on the other hand, “understand” absolutely nowt about Ireland, north or south.

As your rhetoric proves on an almost hourly basis.

What you have just described validates my point entirely. He understands the political opportunity in NI and is thus playing upon it. Your not so subtle personal sleights do not really help your argument nor my appetite to respond......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You really do cut a ridiculous, Colonel Blimp type figure when it comes to Ireland, Pete.

Mr. Barnier has consistently displayed a greater “understanding” of what NI needs after Brexit than your good self or like minded souls in the clueless wing of the Tory party do.

Here is what Mr. Barnier “understands”.

He understands that the majority of people in NI voted Remain.

He understands that around half the voters in NI vote for parties that want to leave the UK, never mind the EU.

He understands that there will soon be a majority in NI voting for these parties and that a Border Poll will be held sooner rather than later.

In short, Mr. Barnier understands that the North of Ireland is a whole nother country when compared to the North of England and as such demands a much different Brexit model and he has offered NI a fantastic, unique deal which the CBI in NI warmly welcome.

You, on the other hand, “understand” absolutely nowt about Ireland, north or south.

As your rhetoric proves on an almost hourly basis.

Oh boy that is one hell of a slapdown which deserves a round of applause.
*claps

 

[Joey66]

You really do cut a ridiculous, Colonel Blimp type figure when it comes to Ireland, Pete.

Mr. Barnier has consistently displayed a greater “understanding” of what NI needs after Brexit than your good self or like minded souls in the clueless wing of the Tory party do.

Here is what Mr. Barnier “understands”.

He understands that the majority of people in NI voted Remain.

He understands that around half the voters in NI vote for parties that want to leave the UK, never mind the EU.

He understands that there will soon be a majority in NI voting for these parties and that a Border Poll will be held sooner rather than later.

In short, Mr. Barnier understands that the North of Ireland is a whole nother country when compared to the North of England and as such demands a much different Brexit model and he has offered NI a fantastic, unique deal which the CBI in NI warmly welcome.

You, on the other hand, “understand” absolutely nowt about Ireland, north or south.

As your rhetoric proves on an almost hourly basis.

Exports to the EU is only 4 percent from the north so @peteblue is correct that Barnier is using The Isle of Ireland as a bargaining chip is quie disgusting tactics mentioning the Good Friday agreement tell what did the EU contribution in that process equals nothing - the south don't want a hard border, the North don't want a hard border - the U.K. Don't want a hard border - after Brexit do you really feel the EU will impose one - no so it's a blocker for the EU to throw a spanner in the works - horrible Polictical organisation.....
Maybot has handled this badly as per usual......
I hope the DUP fetch her down and a new leader just tells the EU sod off!
Do a deal or 39 million Euros is off the table ........

 

[peteblue]

Oh boy that is one hell of a slapdown which deserves a round of applause.
*claps

You are easily pleased.....it figures.....

 

[peteblue]

Exports to the EU is only 4 percent from the north so @peteblue is correct that Barnier is using The Isle of Ireland as a bargaining chip is quie disgusting tactics mentioning the Good Friday agreement tell what did the EU contribution in that process equals nothing - the south don't want a hard border, the North don't want a hard border - the U.K. Don't want a hard border - after Brexit do you really feel the EU will impose one - no so it's a blocker for the EU to throw a spanner in the works - horrible Polictical organisation.....
Maybot has handled this badly as per usual......
I hope the DUP fetch her down and a new leader just tells the EU sod off!
Do a deal or 39 million Euros is off the table ........

Indeed.....

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You are easily pleased.....it figures.....

Whatever you say Colonel.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Oh boy that is one hell of a slapdown which deserves a round of applause.
*claps

Hear hear. The Brexiteers are all over the place on this one. Let's ask again, @Joey66 and @peteblue, what do both of you see the solution regarding the Irish border to be, from both a goods inspection point of view AND an immigration perspective. Just constructive ideas lads, not name calling or deflection.