Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
Exports to the EU is only 4 percent from the north so @peteblue is correct that Barnier is using The Isle of Ireland as a bargaining chip is quie disgusting tactics mentioning the Good Friday agreement tell what did the EU contribution in that process equals nothing - the south don't want a hard border, the North don't want a hard border - the U.K. Don't want a hard border - after Brexit do you really feel the EU will impose one - no so it's a blocker for the EU to throw a spanner in the works - horrible Polictical organisation.....
Maybot has handled this badly as per usual......
I hope the DUP fetch her down and a new leader just tells the EU sod off!
Do a deal or 39 million Euros is off the table ........
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The opportunity to use the Irish border was the best weapon we (the UK) had in these negotiations. We could have told them we were having a customs union and had the right to conduct our own trade deals, then left it up to them to deal with the consequences (ie break the GFA). The treaty is after all binding on the Republic (and therefore them) as well.

Instead May is letting them beat her with it, because of her “red lines”.
 
tsubaki said:
The opportunity to use the Irish border was the best weapon we (the UK) had in these negotiations. We could have told them we were having a customs union and had the right to conduct our own trade deals, then left it up to them to deal with the consequences (ie break the GFA). The treaty is after all binding on the Republic (and therefore them) as well.

Instead May is letting them beat her with it, because of her “red lines”.
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The EU just being an arsp.........
 
Sounds like they are going to kick the can down the road again:

Brexit transition period extension being considered ahead of talks - reports

The UK could remain tied to Brussels' rules beyond the end of 2020 to give negotiators more time to finalise a trade deal, according to reports.

The potential extension of the transition period, which would see the UK stay in the EU single market and customs union, is being considered as intensive negotiations continue ahead of a crunch summit in Brussels on Wednesday.

Under the current plans, if there is a Brexit deal the transition period will last until the end of 2020, during which the UK will accept Brussels' rules without having a seat at the table when they are decided.

But the Guardian and Daily Telegraph have reported that the option of a potential extension was being considered by negotiators in Brussels to allow extra time to draw up a deal on the future UK-EU relationship - and avoid the need to use backstop arrangement to avoid a hard border.

The British Department for Exiting the European Union said it would not comment on speculation.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Sounds like they are going to kick the can down the road again:

Brexit transition period extension being considered ahead of talks - reports

The UK could remain tied to Brussels' rules beyond the end of 2020 to give negotiators more time to finalise a trade deal, according to reports.

The potential extension of the transition period, which would see the UK stay in the EU single market and customs union, is being considered as intensive negotiations continue ahead of a crunch summit in Brussels on Wednesday.

Under the current plans, if there is a Brexit deal the transition period will last until the end of 2020, during which the UK will accept Brussels' rules without having a seat at the table when they are decided.

But the Guardian and Daily Telegraph have reported that the option of a potential extension was being considered by negotiators in Brussels to allow extra time to draw up a deal on the future UK-EU relationship - and avoid the need to use backstop arrangement to avoid a hard border.

The British Department for Exiting the European Union said it would not comment on speculation.
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Maybot will be put by the next few months.......
 
peteblue said:
Why bother. You guys know the answers to everything anyway.....
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You should bother Pete, you really should. You've said nothing on the subject that hasn't been roundly ridiculed. What is your solution, or preferred way of dealing with the movement of goods from outside the EU into it (and vice versa), and the immigration issue around the EU/non EU border? To be fair to you, us guys have been as clueless as you regarding this, as we don't have a solution. See, we can't reconcile the riddle, but we get told that it is an EU problem, it's no real problem at all etc... Please, tell us the solution. I assume this formed part of the reason you voted Out? Or didn't it even occur to you? @Joey66 merely babbles on about 4% so I don't expect a serious response from him. Thanks.
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
You should bother Pete, you really should. You've said nothing on the subject that hasn't been roundly ridiculed. What is your solution, or preferred way of dealing with the movement of goods from outside the EU into it (and vice versa), and the immigration issue around the EU/non EU border? To be fair to you, us guys have been as clueless as you regarding this, as we don't have a solution. See, we can't reconcile the riddle, but we get told that it is an EU problem, it's no real problem at all etc... Please, tell us the solution. I assume this formed part of the reason you voted Out? Or didn't it even occur to you? @Joey66 merely babbles on about 4% so I don't expect a serious response from him. Thanks.
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I have covered all of these points before. Both in terms of existing technology and what could have been done starting two years ago. I’ve also stated many times that the NI border played no part in my decision to leave because quite simply no one really gave it much thought. In respect of who’s problem it is, the problem belongs to both the U.K. and the EU. However while the U.K. solutions attempt to be pragmatic for both NI and the ROI, the EU solution merely leads to an internal border within the U.K. which they know is unacceptable, just as it would be to the EU for a border between ROI and the EU. There are both technological and process solutions to this issue, but only if all parties really want a solution and not merely a way to frustrate talks......
 
peteblue said:
I have covered all of these points before. Both in terms of existing technology and what could have been done starting two years ago. I’ve also stated many times that the NI border played no part in my decision to leave because quite simply no one really gave it much thought. In respect of who’s problem it is, the problem belongs to both the U.K. and the EU. However while the U.K. solutions attempt to be pragmatic for both NI and the ROI, the EU solution merely leads to an internal border within the U.K. which they know is unacceptable, just as it would be to the EU for a border between ROI and the EU. There are both technological and process solutions to this issue, but only if all parties really want a solution and not merely a way to frustrate talks......
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Pete, explain to me these technological solutions. How will they solve an immigration problem that may manifest itself in Northern Ireland? Can you outline to me the pragmatic solutions that the UK have put on the table? What's your opinion of the importance of the GFA? Do you think it's overstated? Why would the EU want to frustrate talks? Would you class Arlene as trying to frustrate talks? I think we should know.
 
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