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[peteblue]

Pete, explain to me these technological solutions. How will they solve an immigration problem that may manifest itself in Northern Ireland? Can you outline to me the pragmatic solutions that the UK have put on the table? What's your opinion of the importance of the GFA? Do you think it's overstated? Why would the EU want to frustrate talks? Would you class Arlene as trying to frustrate talks? I think we should know.

Even the EU now accepts that there are technological solutions already in use in tracking and processing goods. It happens everyday with goods arriving from outside of the EU into the U.K. for onward delivery to Europe. There is a potential immigration problem ( I assume you mean illegal immigration) for both NI and ROI, but for there to be so people have to be on the island of Ireland. Neither the ROI nor NI are in the schengen area, and the ROI already has a CTA with the U.K., so there is no need for tracking individuals from the ROI to the U.K. and vice versa. If however U.K. nationals were to show up in Europe via the ROI then they should be repatriated to NI, similarly if EU nationals were to show up in the U.K. via NI then they would be repatriated to the ROI. Movement of people within the island of Ireland should just be allowed. The GFA is an important part of the process to eliminate terrorist activity and long held bigotry by all sides. The EU would wish to frustrate talks because a) they want the U.K. to remain in the EU, b) they want to show every other country how hard it is to leave, c) the have another end game which is a United Ireland in the EU. I would class Foster as someone who fully understands what is going on and doesn’t like where it’s heading. I would class Veradkar as an opportunist who is also seeking c).......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Even the EU now accepts that there are technological solutions already in use in tracking and processing goods. It happens everyday with goods arriving from outside of the EU into the U.K. for onward delivery to Europe. There is a potential immigration problem ( I assume you mean illegal immigration) for both NI and ROI, but for there to be so people have to be on the island of Ireland. Neither the ROI nor NI are in the schengen area, and the ROI already has a CTA with the U.K., so there is no need for tracking individuals from the ROI to the U.K. and vice versa. If however U.K. nationals were to show up in Europe via the ROI then they should be repatriated to NI, similarly if EU nationals were to show up in the U.K. via NI then they would be repatriated to the ROI. Movement of people within the island of Ireland should just be allowed. The GFA is an important part of the process to eliminate terrorist activity and long held bigotry by all sides. The EU would wish to frustrate talks because a) they want the U.K. to remain in the EU, b) they want to show every other country how hard it is to leave, c) the have another end game which is a United Ireland in the EU. I would class Foster as someone who fully understands what is going on and doesn’t like where it’s heading. I would class Veradkar as an opportunist who is also seeking c).......

Absolute garbage. And that you can't even spell the Taoiseach's name properly shows how much you know about him.

 

[peteblue]

Absolute garbage. And that you can't even spell the Taoiseach's name properly shows how much you know about him.

And this is why I didn’t really want to respond, and why I will not in future. Because whenever anyone does, you dismiss it out of hand, and then in this particular you case you follow it up by highlighting a spelling mistake. Now you may feel that this constitutes some form of intelligent or constructive debate, but I don’t......

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Absolute garbage. And that you can't even spell the Taoiseach's name properly shows how much you know about him.

Absolutely. Every time you challenge here people about the Irish border they come out with nonsense. Schengen is nothing to do with Ireland and is therefore a red herring, as is everything else that Pete's post contained. Laughable.....

 

[peteblue]

Absolutely. Every time you challenge here people about the Irish border they come out with nonsense. Schengen is nothing to do with Ireland and is therefore a red herring, as is everything else that Pete's post contained. Laughable.....

Thank you for your considered input......perhaps now you can put your solution to the issue forward and I’ll do the challenging......

 

[dholliday]

Absolute garbage. And that you can't even spell the Taoiseach's name properly shows how much you know about him.

It's like that time we all kept spelling Delofeu's name wrong and that proved we were clueless Evertonians.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Thank you for your considered input......perhaps now you can put your solution to the issue forward and I’ll do the challenging......

Being serious for a minute Pete, you suggest that technological solutions are out there, but that somehow they remain only known to the EU, who being the horrible meanies they are, don't want to share them with us. I mean really, that's a bit silly isn't it? It's almost certain that the technology will be produced by a company who would surely be champing at the bit to 'trade with the world' and sell their wares to us. You would think there would be no shortage of Leave advocates equally enthusiastic about cheerleading this Acme Inc white knight, and the government would have been spending much of the last 2 years thoroughly testing the technology of Acme Inc to make sure it works as promised.

Yet it seems that none of this has happened. It seems slightly more credible that Acme Inc doesn't actually exist rather than they do exist but the combined wit of the Leave movement simply haven't been able to locate them. And I say that with a really rather low opinion of the combined wit of the Leave movement.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Thank you for your considered input......perhaps now you can put your solution to the issue forward and I’ll do the challenging......

No problem mate. I want the status quo preserved in Ireland regarding the border. I couldn't see how the border issue could be resolved in the event of a leave vote without a special status for Northern Ireland. I voted remain on this basis, as well as a number of other issues. The thing is that all of the problems regarding customs, immigration in Great Britain etc can be resolved, albeit at great cost to British citizens on any number of levels. However, I see no resolution to the Irish border issue unless the DUP adjust their stance. This is a DUP who have an MP suspended over a £100,000 holiday in Sri Lanka (Ceylon to Brexiteers), a leader who is involved in the RHI scandal and who wishes to deny language rights to nationalists, and who opposes gay marriages.
That's an extremely brief summary of my reason for voting remain from a point of view of practicality. I appreciate that you, not once, thought "How's all this going to work?" regarding the border but I did. Ireland will always come back to haunt the British until they solve the border issue. This will soon be resolved by the soon to be nationalist majority, after which Britain can do it's own thing. It would have been at the point of Irish reunification that Britain should have voted to leave/remain. I know that you have zero knowledge of Ireland (remember saying that Ireland counts EU nationals in and out?) but in fairness that makes you no different to a large amount of Brexiteers who read the Mail and the Sun and believe every word it prints/twists.
By the way, I asked you a series of questions earlier, and you answered not one. Laughable

 

[Harryflashman]

No problem mate. I want the status quo preserved in Ireland regarding the border. I couldn't see how the border issue could be resolved in the event of a leave vote without a special status for Northern Ireland.

Let me help you out mate , it can’t be .

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Let me help you out mate , it can’t be .

Thanks mate. Makes the actual vote rather pointless then doesn't it? If only Mr Johnson, Mr Rees Mogg, Mr Redwood, Mr Bone etc had dealt with this in detail to the electorate before the referendum. The likes of Pete may have voted differently, seeing as he never even thought about our only land border with the EU.

 

[Harryflashman]

Thanks mate. Makes the actual vote rather pointless then doesn't it? If only Mr Johnson, Mr Rees Mogg, Mr Redwood, Mr Bone etc had dealt with this in detail to the electorate before the referendum. The likes of Pete may have voted differently, seeing as he never even thought about our only land border with the EU.

Let me help you out again mate . they wouldn’t

 

[Yarrgh]

The opportunity to use the Irish border was the best weapon we (the UK) had in these negotiations. We could have told them we were having a customs union and had the right to conduct our own trade deals, then left it up to them to deal with the consequences (ie break the GFA). The treaty is after all binding on the Republic (and therefore them) as well.

Instead May is letting them beat her with it, because of her “red lines”.

If only both sides didn't think of it as a "weapon".

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

And this is why I didn’t really want to respond, and why I will not in future. Because whenever anyone does, you dismiss it out of hand, and then in this particular you case you follow it up by highlighting a spelling mistake. Now you may feel that this constitutes some form of intelligent or constructive debate, but I don’t......

It wasn't a spelling mistake/typo though was it. It was indicative of exactly how much you know about him and his office which was why I pointed it out. I don't see you mis-spelling Rees-Mogg or Farage for instance.

"I would class Foster as someone who fully understands what is going on and doesn’t like where it’s heading. I would class Veradkar as an opportunist..."
It is fair to point out that this is rubbish because that's exactly what it is.

 

[Joey66]

Being serious for a minute Pete, you suggest that technological solutions are out there, but that somehow they remain only known to the EU, who being the horrible meanies they are, don't want to share them with us. I mean really, that's a bit silly isn't it? It's almost certain that the technology will be produced by a company who would surely be champing at the bit to 'trade with the world' and sell their wares to us. You would think there would be no shortage of Leave advocates equally enthusiastic about cheerleading this Acme Inc white knight, and the government would have been spending much of the last 2 years thoroughly testing the technology of Acme Inc to make sure it works as promised.

Yet it seems that none of this has happened. It seems slightly more credible that Acme Inc doesn't actually exist rather than they do exist but the combined wit of the Leave movement simply haven't been able to locate them. And I say that with a really rather low opinion of the combined wit of the Leave movement.

All this fuss for the NI export to the EU of 4 percent......
Pete is spot on the EU have looked for, and tried to bully, throw a spanner in the works on Brexit as they have a history of overturning referendums that don't go their way, and maybot has been hooked line and sinker to her own detriment as she will find out very soon.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

All this fuss for the NI export to the EU of 4 percent......
Pete is spot on the EU have looked for, and tried to bully, throw a spanner in the works on Brexit as they have a history of overturning referendums that don't go their way, and maybot has been hooked line and sinker to her own detriment as she will find out very soon.......

Don't tell me you don't know of the vendor supplying this technology either Joe? Did that nasty Michel bloke not tell you either?