Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Suffice to say, the above study did only repeat the views people had, not assess whether those views were an accurate portrayal of reality, which is perhaps more useful if we are to get the best outcome from this situation.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Suffice to say, the above study did only repeat the views people had, not assess whether those views were an accurate portrayal of reality, which is perhaps more useful if we are to get the best outcome from this situation.
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does it matter what the people say? , the elite just ignore it anyway, as will become clear in the coming months with brexit coming to an endgame.
We have run out of time to get a decent outcome its going to be a cock up that suits nobody, we should have had a cross party committee to handle brexit from the off taking in a broad church of views, instead May and co have bounced around looking after there own or there parties needs rather than the UK's interests.
There is going to be a backlash against the government on a massive scale after or even before this is over, if the DUP pull the plug MAY and the tories are finished before xmas
 
edge said:
does it matter what the people say? , the elite just ignore it anyway, as will become clear in the coming months with brexit coming to an endgame.
We have run out of time to get a decent outcome its going to be a cock up that suits nobody, we should have had a cross party committee to handle brexit from the off taking in a broad church of views, instead May and co have bounced around looking after there own or there parties needs rather than the UK's interests.
There is going to be a backlash against the government on a massive scale after or even before this is over, if the DUP pull the plug MAY and the tories are finished before xmas
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Indeed, there is a strong argument to be made for May having triggered article 50 far too soon, and a more sensible strategy would have been to take time to understand exactly what the leave vote meant, and what the options were on the basis of that. Instead it triggered a chain reaction of events whereby she perhaps felt the need to appear decisive and ended up rushing things.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Indeed, there is a strong argument to be made for May having triggered article 50 far too soon, and a more sensible strategy would have been to take time to understand exactly what the leave vote meant, and what the options were on the basis of that. Instead it triggered a chain reaction of events whereby she perhaps felt the need to appear decisive and ended up rushing things.
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True Bruce they just seem to be getting blown around by the winds of change rather than plotting a course through them.
 
edge said:
True Bruce they just seem to be getting blown around by the winds of change rather than plotting a course through them.
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It's always been a silly proposition to fall back on the whole 'will of the people' schtick, as there was never any attempt to understand exactly what the 'will of the people' was, whether it was an accurate reflection of the situation, or whether their aspirations were achievable. Instead, it's been used by special interest groups as a stick to beat any version of Brexit that doesn't match their own personal aspiration.
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
You've not answered any questions on here. You always ignore the points being made and your solution to the Irish border issue was hilariously ignorant. You are a typical Little Englander, and I can't be more scathing than that.
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Well if you actually read the whole of this thread, I wouldn’t mind betting that I’ve answered one or two questions. I’m not sure why you keep coming up with petty insults, especially as Groucho has asked for it to stop.....
 
edge said:
does it matter what the people say? , the elite just ignore it anyway, as will become clear in the coming months with brexit coming to an endgame.
We have run out of time to get a decent outcome its going to be a cock up that suits nobody, we should have had a cross party committee to handle brexit from the off taking in a broad church of views, instead May and co have bounced around looking after there own or there parties needs rather than the UK's interests.
There is going to be a backlash against the government on a massive scale after or even before this is over, if the DUP pull the plug MAY and the tories are finished before xmas
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I think this has been the most depressing and eye opening part of this whole debate. The absolute ignoring of a democratic vote......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So Pete, as per the study I posted a few posts before this, if the Norway option is what 'the people' want, you'd be happy that we did that because will of the people?
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Just like Norway, I do not wish to be part of the EU. Unlike Norway I would wish for a simple FTA and not adopt EU law. I don’t remember anyone being asked on the voting slip about a Norway model, I personally would have rejected it.....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So apparently, after an exhaustive study of the British people (which almost certainly didn't include asking Pete, Joe or OldBlue), it's clear that the public would like Brexit to be ala Norway - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/policy-i...of-brexit-do-the-british-people-want-2018.pdf

"People place a high value on having access to the EU markets for trade in goods and services. They like the option for the UK to be able to make its own trade deals. They also value that the UK is able to make its own laws, but not as much as access to the single market or the ability to make trade deals. They worry about freedom of movement, but mostly because of concerns about demand for public services. They strongly dislike the idea of having to get a visa to travel for their holidays.

Netting out positives and negatives, we found that Britons place the most value on a Norway-like deal. In fact, support for this kind of deal – which is based on membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) – has increased in the past year, up from 38% in 2017 to 43% in 2018. Norway is part of the EEA but is not a member of the customs union and can therefore make its own trade deals. We found people value the Norway model more than the current relationship with the EU, in part because Norway is free to make trade deals with non-EU countries. And while a “no-deal” is less popular than remaining, it is considered preferable to a customs union arrangement."

The preference was determined after asking participants to make choices about certain aspects of our relationship with the EU. These options included freedom of movement for holidays and working, access to the single market, ability to make free trade deals, contribution to the EU and sovereignty. It was a follow up from a similar study done last year, and the results placed the Norway model as 1st choice, with staying in the EU as the 2nd choice. Both beat no deal/WTO terms, which came in 3rd.
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@Bruce Wayne again you do not @ when mentioning members I do not want a Norway Brexit - maybe a Canada trade++++ extra deal as the divorce bill we are paying is ridiculous on leaving - you could argue that was never mentioned on leaving either - if May goes along with being one foot in the EU and one foot out going near a customs union or touches on a single market deal she is a goner imo and when a Brexit minded PM takes her job negotiations need to restart.......
whos over there now negotiating Ollie Robins an avid remainer civil servant........ the guy who has made a balls up all along - May is going to get the boot if she fails to deliver a good deal........
 
peteblue said:
Just like Norway, I do not wish to be part of the EU. Unlike Norway I would wish for a simple FTA and not adopt EU law. I don’t remember anyone being asked on the voting slip about a Norway model, I personally would have rejected it.....
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That's my point, no one was asked anything about the kind of Brexit they wanted, so talk of the 'will of the people' is ridiculous and used by people to prop up whatever vision they themselves have. What's more, any attempts to actually understand the 'will of the people', either through studies like the one I linked or via a second vote are discounted by people. It's a shambles really.
 
peteblue said:
Just like Norway, I do not wish to be part of the EU. Unlike Norway I would wish for a simple FTA and not adopt EU law. I don’t remember anyone being asked on the voting slip about a Norway model, I personally would have rejected it.....
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Norway total freedom of movement , and in the schengen area ... that sounds a dead rubber........
 
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