Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Pete's a blind nationalist. He hears a statement like this and first thing he thinks is, 'ha, great, that'll drive the remainers mad'. He hasn't even contemplated the seriousness of such a comment.
Happens here in the states all the time!
 
Ruairi77 said:
Pete's a blind nationalist. He hears a statement like this and first thing he thinks is, 'ha, great, that'll drive the remainers mad'. He hasn't even contemplated the seriousness of such a comment.
Happens here in the states all the time!
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We should expect more from elected officials though shouldn't we? Especially ones whose brief is foreign affairs.
 
Tubey said:
The Soviet Union didn't have Article 50 - there wasn't an option of leaving. The Baltic states didn't 'opt in' - they were annexed via ultimatum. I don't even need to bring up the death camps and so on becaused there is no point of comparison between the USSR and the EU in any way beyond the word 'union' in their titles.

The UK is free to leave - they can crash out on 'no deal' at any point they want. What it's not free to do is have its' cake and eat it. The EU has a right to protect its' interests.

What you are doing here is demonstrating that you are an ideological extremist. You are foolish. I don't say that lightly, but if you actually think what Hunt said is a 'valid point', then you're a fool who either knows nothing about the subject matter or knows it but doesn't give a toss.
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The EU has a responsibility to negotiate an agreement for a leaving country. I am no ideological extremist, nor am I foolish. Hunt made a valid point. The USSR did everything against a country to stop it leaving, and the EU bureaucracy is doing exactly the same. It’s not guns and bullets and tanks, it’s in politics, insisting upon weaponising the NI situation, it’s in negotiating more like a spoilt child than an adult.

As has been pointed out, if Japan offered the EU a deal whereby it would trade and abide by its rules and take standards for products etc etc from the EU and submit in parts to the EU court, the EU would grab it, sign it and laugh. Yet apparently for a country that has paid money in for 45 years and continues to offer payment in a mistaken attempt to continue to be friends, it is not acceptable.

So when a new minister compares the EU to the USSR, he is right. It is not diplomatic, it will not be received well and it will wind people up, but he is right to do so and it will aid negotiations. Your own ‘outraged’ comments merely show why he was right to do so.......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
They've tried spouting bobbins and are carrying on as before. And that is being kind as life behind the iron curtain was literally nothing like life in the eu.
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He did not compare life within the EU and the USSR and it is disingenuous to try to say so. You, Tubey and co are just wilfully misinterpreting his comments as you cannot bear to hear anything against the EU, even when they are trying to screw the U.K......
 
peteblue said:
Don’t be naive.....
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I'd rather be naive and object to how Tories are handling this than have to constantly defend their inept dealings because I voted for them.
I have sympathy for labour voters who voted to leave but I have no sympathy for anyone who voted this government in thinking they were up to the job.
(I know, I know, you dont want my sympathy)
 
Ruairi77 said:
ok, I wasn't concerned with who he's aiming the barb at.
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Well he actually hit his target......

Verhofstadt...

"Offensive and outrageous comments by Mr. Hunt, especially to those millions of Europeans that lived under Soviet occupation.
"Churchill and Thatcher, these great defenders of European freedom and democracy must be turning in their graves."

The message got through.......
 
peteblue said:
The USSR did everything against a country to stop it leaving, and the EU bureaucracy is doing exactly the same. It’s not guns and bullets and tanks, it’s in politics, insisting upon weaponising the NI situation, it’s in negotiating more like a spoilt child than an adult.
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this is a complete contradiction.
Basically, the EU is doing nothing the same...
 
peteblue said:
Well he actually hit his target......

Verhofstadt...

"Offensive and outrageous comments by Mr. Hunt, especially to those millions of Europeans that lived under Soviet occupation.
"Churchill and Thatcher, these great defenders of European freedom and democracy must be turning in their graves."

The message got through.......
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ok, again missing the point
 
peteblue said:
It’s not guns and bullets and tanks, it’s in politics, insisting upon weaponising the NI situation, it’s in negotiating more like a spoilt child than an adult.
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How would you go about sorting out the NI situation then?

Not giving in to the deluded and arrogant demands of a member who wants out is not acting like a spoilt child either. The ones who are acting childlike are those in our Government who think they can cease to be a member of a club, and then get all the best benefits of being in the club, without paying them money, and expecting the leaders of that club to go along with it.
 
This should be good. If you get a serious, workable, realistic response to this I will support Liverpool. You will get a swerve of an answer, of this there is no doubt.
Don't forget the question;- How would you go about sorting out the NI situation then?
 
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