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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Statistics released by the Northern Irish Department for the Economy this week provide a succinct summary of the current Irish border situation.

Last year there were in excess of 45m vehicle border crossings in Ireland. Freight crossings accounted for around 780,000 of those passages.

Further analysis of the paper shows that these numbers were collated from just 15 of the 208 recognised border crossings.

The paper also explained that the border runs along the middle of 11 roads - more than twice the number originally believed - and meets in the middle of at least three bridges and dissects two ferry crossings.

The only realistic solution to this is for the border to be in the Irish Sea. May has to call the DUPs bluff and you know what, they may just back down as they fear a Corbyn government.
 
Farage was in Gent yesterday. He was giving a speech to a very conservative (and racist) student society. I do wonder if he gets payed for that, if you look at the crowd it can't be much.



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Farage was in Gent yesterday. He was giving a speech to a very conservative (and racist) student society. I do wonder if he gets payed for that, if you look at the crowd it can't be much.



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It's worth reminding that many Brexit-voters did so without requiring Farage's input. This doesn't mean Brexiters = KVHV so I hope that wasn't your intended implication. Granted, there is some overlap, hence why Farage got the gig.
 


That last line reinforces my thinking that Brexit is a result of mostly people who are not happy with their wealth (or lack of) and willfully believed lies and half-truths spun by the politicians who seek to use Brexit purely to further their own career or wealth. Regardless of how the outcome truly effects the people beneath them. They were all told their own little slice would become bigger; farmers will get richer, city workers will have less job competition, fisherman will be able to fish more, etc, etc. Slowly, some people are starting to see that these fanciful ideals are nothing but daydreams and that leaving the EU will not deliver them to greener grass.
 


That last line reinforces my thinking that Brexit is a result of mostly people who are not happy with their wealth (or lack of) and willfully believed lies and half-truths spun by the politicians who seek to use Brexit purely to further their own career or wealth. Regardless of how the outcome truly effects the people beneath them. They were all told their own little slice would become bigger; farmers will get richer, city workers will have less job competition, fisherman will be able to fish more, etc, etc. Slowly, some people are starting to see that these fanciful ideals are nothing but daydreams and that leaving the EU will not deliver them to greener grass.


If only some Remainers could have pointed this out...... :coffee:
 
It's worth reminding that many Brexit-voters did so without requiring Farage's input. This doesn't mean Brexiters = KVHV so I hope that wasn't your intended implication. Granted, there is some overlap, hence why Farage got the gig.

I don't generalize Brexiters. And I don't particularly care about the motives about why someone voted for Brexit or whatever. I just think it's particularly interesting that he's giving a speech to that association; I studied there for quite a long time. All those in that particular association were/and probably still are cretins. You should read their codex they use for a cantus (if I'm not mistaken you're German so you'll know what a cantus is). Oh and in a month, I'll probably see them humiliating their new prospects all across town. I really dislike them.

Pretty certain that quite a high percentage of old people voted that way because they don't like the change, compared to when they were young. Or that some voted that way because they don't like Polish, French, whatever. You'll also have people who find sovereignty paramount etc... They won, that's that. Whatever the reason. Out is out. A second referendum/remaining is one of the worst things that could happen. Keeping a nation in where roughly about 52 percent (of the participants) wants out (I don't think it's relevant that some might have changed their opinion now or whatever- all those new polls don't change anything for me), doesn't help anyone. As I said beforehand, they should have known that they (not the rich segment) were going to get proverbially burned(economically). And again that's their right; to find some things more important.

The only thing that somewhat annoys me from time to time is misinformation; from both sides to be fair. Pretty certain that some have never read the Treaty of Lisbon and start spouting all sorts of things, or all sorts of weird conspiracy theories about the future of the E.U. when it's clear that they're not informed. Or leavers that act all surprised that they are going to get a bad deal; mind you they are probably not in the majority just quite vocal. I dislike it when people act like it's always someone else's fault and this is a sort of extension of that.

Don't get me wrong I do feel sympathy for those who will be affected; expats, possibly people in NI, people whose jobs are on the line etc ... .
 
I don't generalize Brexiters. And I don't particularly care about the motives about why someone voted for Brexit or whatever. I just think it's particularly interesting that he's giving a speech to that association; I studied there for quite a long time. All those in that particular association were/and probably still are cretins. You should read their codex they use for a cantus (if I'm not mistaken you're German so you'll know what a cantus is). Oh and in a month, I'll probably see them humiliating their new prospects all across town. I really dislike them.

Pretty certain that quite a high percentage of old people voted that way because they don't like the change, compared to when they were young. Or that some voted that way because they don't like Polish, French, whatever. You'll also have people who find sovereignty paramount etc... They won, that's that. Whatever the reason. Out is out. A second referendum/remaining is one of the worst things that could happen. Keeping a nation in where roughly about 52 percent (of the participants) wants out (I don't think it's relevant that some might have changed their opinion now or whatever- all those new polls don't change anything for me), doesn't help anyone. As I said beforehand, they should have known that they (not the rich segment) were going to get proverbially burned(economically). And again that's their right; to find some things more important.

The only thing that somewhat annoys me from time to time is misinformation; from both sides to be fair. Pretty certain that some have never read the Treaty of Lisbon and start spouting all sorts of things, or all sorts of weird conspiracy theories about the future of the E.U. when it's clear that they're not informed. Or leavers that act all surprised that they are going to get a bad deal; mind you they are probably not in the majority just quite vocal. I dislike it when people act like it's always someone else's fault and this is a sort of extension of that.

Don't get me wrong I do feel sympathy for those who will be affected; expats, possibly people in NI, people whose jobs are on the line etc ... .

I'm german aye (well, german/brit dual) but only know "cantus" as part of the song-title of one of my favourite pieces of musik:



it's from Latin and means a harmonising upper voice as part of a choir...what do you mean it as? Bear in mind I never went to any college or uni, so maybe it's campus-speak.

I agree KVHV are mostly idiots: I've seen some comments from their members that they long for the days when the Flemish colonised Congo, dimly unaware of how this contradicts their nationalism doctrine.

Some family and old friends are Brexiters (from the english side of family/friends). The big 3 reasons for voting thus were: wishing to force EU-reform; taking back control just like the slogan said, and immigration concerns as Brexit came hot on the heels of the mass migrant waves from Arab lands to Central Europe. None of them cared much about whatever Boris, Nigel or Gove said.

Indeed, there's plenty of misinformation and 'pointscoring' from both sides...I always try to understand both, and for those that have picked a side there's often big logic gaps in their thinking. It's wilful...like they don't want to understand the other side. Tribal. Primitive, to be honest.

I always say it's fine to be like this in football (none of us have a good word to say about the RS, for example)...but it's silly to also be like this politically. These are things that really affect us, picking sides seems so counter-productive. The Tory/LibDem-coalition deeply disappointed me, I had high hopes for that unusual combination working for the good of everyone. LibDems were just too weak, but they didn't have to be. A Paddy Ashdown would've bulldozed his way through the mud a little better...more's the pity that chance came too late for his LibDems...we might never have had the Brexit vote at all.
 
I'm german aye (well, german/brit dual) but only know "cantus" as part of the song-title of one of my favourite pieces of musik:

it's from Latin and means a harmonising upper voice as part of a choir...what do you mean it as? Bear in mind I never went to any college or uni, so maybe it's campus-speak.

I agree KVHV are mostly idiots: I've seen some comments from their members that they long for the days when the Flemish colonised Congo, dimly unaware of how this contradicts their nationalism doctrine.

Some family and old friends are Brexiters (from the english side of family/friends). The big 3 reasons for voting thus were: wishing to force EU-reform; taking back control just like the slogan said, and immigration concerns as Brexit came hot on the heels of the mass migrant waves from Arab lands to Central Europe. None of them cared much about whatever Boris, Nigel or Gove said.

Indeed, there's plenty of misinformation and 'pointscoring' from both sides...I always try to understand both, and for those that have picked a side there's often big logic gaps in their thinking. It's wilful...like they don't want to understand the other side. Tribal. Primitive, to be honest.

I always say it's fine to be like this in football (none of us have a good word to say about the RS, for example)...but it's silly to also be like this politically. These are things that really affect us, picking sides seems so counter-productive. The Tory/LibDem-coalition deeply disappointed me, I had high hopes for that unusual combination working for the good of everyone. LibDems were just too weak, but they didn't have to be. A Paddy Ashdown would've bulldozed his way through the mud a little better...more's the pity that chance came too late for his LibDems...we might never have had the Brexit vote at all.

Ah okay. A cantus is essentially an activity organized by student organizations (mainly French, Belgian and Dutch ones and I also thought Germans) that mainly involves singing songs and drinking lots of beer. The rules are quite strict; hierarchy, Latin formulations etc... Everybody participating has a book, the codex (absurd some versions have like 2000 pages), that contains all the songs. Quite a few of them date back to the Middle Ages. They are mainly in Dutch, French, Latin and German. Drinking songs like bibit hera etc... Not my cup of tea, but quite a few seem to enjoy it I guess.

All valid reasons. I think the oppositions are more pronounced in the U.K. since they aren't exactly used to compromises, so they are less inclined to see the other side. In Belgium it's a natural reflex, everything is a compromise. Look at all our governments; quite a few of the coalitions on the different levels are sometimes diametrically opposed. If you can't see a compromise here, well then you have a very big problem. Quite a few similarities also; immigration is perceived as a big problem by a very big part of the population. Even though the official parties don't always recognize it. Leads to absurd situations. Like PS (Parti Socialiste) is very much pro-migration- those who vote for them are not; they are still quite untouchable in Wallonia, but if they don't change their tune they are going to get a beating at the next elections. So this leads to the absurd situation that a Flemish nationalist polititician is the most popular one in Wallonia since he conducts a strict migration policy (Francken).
 
I thought it was spot on. It is exactly how the USSR behaved, and it will strike a chord with many of the East European countries......
i agree with bits of it, but its more a leadership opening bat by him than a call to arms over Brexit he was a remainer right through the vote.
importantly it signals the way they are judging the feeling to be among there own supporters, judging by the opening day speeches, its for a harder stance on negotiations, or maybe a ploy to signal to the EU that it has pushed the wrong buttons, better to have May to deal with than someone more else with more firm views on the subject.
 
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