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[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Then the people who elect the useless feckers need their head examined

It's all about opinions mate. You have yours and they have theirs. There's a hell of a lot of people voting for them these days. It's the cornerstone of their view on Ireland and they pull no punches about it either.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Interesting to read here this morning that the 239,000 people who voted for SF in the last GE need to have their heads examined. The shrinks in NI will be rolling in it.

 

[hullefc]

Interesting to read here this morning that the 239,000 people who voted for SF in the last GE need to have their heads examined. The shrinks in NI will be rolling in it.

Maybe that's why there was the Green Ribbon Campaign last year.

 

[dholliday]

You're on a wind up for sure..

So by your logic I'd be racist if I pointed to a picture of a KKK mob without their hoods and said "shock, horror they are all ugly white people"?!?

you're comparing Brexit voters to the KKK to defend your own racism.

you're very much part of the problem.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

you're comparing Brexit voters to the KKK to defend your own racism.

you're very much part of the problem.

Them pesky diversion tactics again. If anyone is calling anyone for racism then take it to another place, not the EU forum.

 

[larrygobfiend]

you're comparing Brexit voters to the KKK to defend your own racism.

you're very much part of the problem.

He's not though, is he?!! Stop flying into threads accusing people of being racist, it's doing my head in! You're part of the problem by moralising, being contrary and derailing threads to flex your debating "skills" to boost your own ego.

Oh, and seeing as though you corrected my spelling earlier in this thread, it's usually good form to start sentences with a capital letter x

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

There are some proper bitter and envious people out there. You can only hope that as they grow up they begin to understand, but I doubt it......

Mate, I've just re-read the tweet again and watched the video, it's actually hideous. A few old people can't articulate the details of the checkers deal so he wants them to die?

We all know types like him. Overtly morally virtuous bells who spend a decent % of their time on Twitter aggressively trying to slap down anyone who disagrees with them and lecturing the rest of us about how society should be structured and how we're all terrible people because we don't subscribe to their narrow worldview, but in reality, they can't even work the oven, iron their clothes or get their own lives in order.

I've never met the youth behind that account but his tweets pop up on my timeline quite a bit and I reckon he ticks a few of those boxes.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You're even admitting you're judging people on their skin colour.

Horrible attitude.

He originally merely stated a fact reference their age profile and lack of diversity.

You jumped in, either to defend the cause or just be a complete berk. Take your pick.

 

[dholliday]

Mate, I've just re-read the tweet again and watched the video, it's actually hideous. A few old people can't articulate the details of the checkers deal so he wants them to die?

We all know types like him. Overtly morally virtuous bells who spend a decent % of their time on Twitter aggressively trying to slap down anyone who disagrees with them and lecturing the rest of us about how society should be structured and how we're all terrible people because we don't subscribe to their narrow worldview, but in reality, they can't even work the oven, iron their clothes or get their own lives in order.

I've never met the youth behind that account but his tweets pop up on my timeline quite a bit and I reckon he ticks a few of those boxes.

Well said, Adam. Very much part of this us-vs-them problem contemporary debate has (see also the aforementioned comparing Brexit voters with the bloody Ku Klux Klan).

 

[Groucho]

I was making an observation. The audience at the Leave rally appeared to be universally white and over the age of 55.

Given a central accusation against the Leave mob is that they are all fundamentally dreaming back to a mythical 1950s England that never actually existed - and could never exist today - then their skin colour and age is very relevant.

I merely added in for good measure they all also looked unfit and angry!

Skin colour isn't relevant unless you make it so. It's regressive identity politics but I bet you think of yourself as a progressive...nice one shoving people you don't know in negative racial boxes.

Don't judge people by the colour of their skin! i can't believe this still needs saying in 2018.

Wow you've got this the wrong way round in monumental style!

Leave means Leave are bending over backwards trying to deny that they have a racial undertone to their anti-immigration policies. Collectively they are advocating a return to a Victorian era Great Britain emanating power across the globe.

I am pointing out the blatant irony that all those visible are both white and old aged. That's entirely relevant to the point being made. It's not regressive identity politics; its a simple bare truth.

The fact they also appear angry and unhealthy just adds a bit of colour to the idea (that I have) that Leave voters were basically disaffected with life.

You're even admitting you're judging people on their skin colour.

Horrible attitude.

You're on a wind up for sure..

So by your logic I'd be racist if I pointed to a picture of a KKK mob without their hoods and said "shock, horror they are all ugly white people"?!?

you're comparing Brexit voters to the KKK to defend your own racism.

you're very much part of the problem.

@dholliday - you can not deny the fact that most who voted leave are white. This is fact. It is not a racist comment.

Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party members were all white. This is a fact, and it is not a racist statement. Nor is it comparing anyone to anyone else.

The man is not comparing those who voted leave to the KKK, so please read peoples’ posts properly before coming out with pointless accusations of racism. He is making an analogy of sorts. As a journalist (if I remember correctly) I would have thought you’d have seen that.

It’s ok to say the words white and black without them being in a racist context.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

you're comparing Brexit voters to the KKK to defend your own racism.

you're very much part of the problem.

Nope, he merely pointed out some similarities which are common to everyone at the meeting. That doesn't make him racist or part of any problem. And he most definitely did not compare Brexit voters to the KKK so you should withdraw your allegation. The race card is played far too often these days by some people against those they disagree with.

 

[dholliday]

It’s ok to say the words white and black without them being in a racist context.

I agree with the above, but I don't agree with using the term "white" "black" or anything else in a negative context.

 

[Groucho]

I agree with the above, but I don't agree with using the term "white" "black" or anything else in a negative context.

@Charlie Sweet was stating a fact.

Facts are sometimes negative, that is not his fault and he wasn’t being racist.

 

[dholliday]

@Charlie Sweet was stating a fact.

Facts are sometimes negative, that is not his fault and he wasn’t being racist.

facts don't care about your feelings? That's a bit of a meme in some circles. For me it's about context & intent. Is there negative intent when the focus is on skin colour? Why is the 'fact' "white" followed by negative opinions like "unfit" and "angry" ?

That's the question, we seem to have different answers.

So we'll have to agree to disagree - I'll just post the original post below and we'll leave it at that:

White. Old. Unfit and generally angry at the world.

 

[Ruairi77]

facts don't care about your feelings? That's a bit of a meme in some circles. For me it's about context & intent. Is there negative intent when the focus is on skin colour? Why is the 'fact' "white" followed by negative opinions like "unfit" and "angry" ?

That's the question, we seem to have different answers.

So we'll have to agree to disagree - I'll just post the original post below and we'll leave it at that:

Charlie is not being racist, come on man.
He's making an observation about the make up of that crowd.
Two of his observations are facts (white and old) and two are opinions (unfit, angry).
The facts (white, old) are worth pointing out as it highlights the demographic of the leave voter.
The opinions are just that, opinions. So if you have an issue with his opinions, then fair enough.
So maybe you have a problem with him pointing out the racial make up of the crowd. I would argue that one of the main stays of the leave vote was control of immigration. A large number of immigrants are people of colour. With this in mind, it's worth pointing out that the whole crowd is mono-cultural.