Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Imho if you count 8 to 12 years short term then you might be about there.

The EU have to make us an example of so any country that even thinks of leaving in future will know just what the price is in doing so. How hard we are hit and how soon it bites will determine how quickly a deal can come about.

Your second sentence neatly explains why we should leave. Any organisation that insists on punishing a member for leaving isn’t really an organisation worth belonging to is it.......it’s corrupt, undemocratic and bullying......
 
Your second sentence neatly explains why we should leave. Any organisation that insists on punishing a member for leaving isn’t really an organisation worth belonging to is it.......it’s corrupt, undemocratic and bullying......

It's not good but you can understand their predicament. If the UK gets access to the free market without freedom of movement and the need to have to follow the laws of the EU courts then why should any of the others? Like I have said before I would have no problem with the EU working as a trade block for the common good with sensible immigration for skilled workers and to plug the gaps if employment can't be found in this country, but you can't blame them for protecting what they have spent decades building.
 
There will no doubt be a short term cost, to both the U.K. and the EU, because of the stupid way the bureaucracy in Brussels is behaving. But, then we will trade sensibly either through a deal or via WTO, either will be fine, then we will increase our exports via FTA’s for which countries will be only too happy to accommodate........

There is it again. Make a very vague statement, with massive implications and try and pass off this air of calm by simply saying "will be fine".

No one believes you. We've been hearing this nonsense for the last 2+ years and those in the leave camp are making themselves look daft by saying it. "Easiest trade deal in history". Not going too well for your side is it?

Can you explain how either will be fine by the way?
 
There is it again. Make a very vague statement, with massive implications and try and pass off this air of calm by simply saying "will be fine".

No one believes you. We've been hearing this nonsense for the last 2+ years and those in the leave camp are making themselves look daft by saying it. "Easiest trade deal in history". Not going too well for your side is it?

Can you explain how either will be fine by the way?
He merely uses glib comments like to gloss over uncomfortable facts, as like the rest of them, he’s not very good with actual facts.

Trade ‘sensibly’ via WTO despite have no agreement in place on quotas and there already being a number of objections to our proposal. They’ll need complete consensus to be agreed, and has already been pointed out, there’s a number of countries who have on going gripes with the U.K. that will undoubtedly use their vote as leverage, it could take literally years.

Then we move on to his “we’ll increase our exports via FTA’s”. We lose 60 FTA agreements that we have via the EU on the day we leave, together with a whole host of bilateral agreements. So far we have managed to replicate note replicate, not improve - 3. We need to replicate the other 57 in order to stand still. The Govt is currently working on 4 FTA’s with other nations, two of whom have told us that we’re behind the EU in the queue. We’ve also be told by the likes of India that they’d want an element of free movement to accompany any FTA.

So we’re 57 short of standing still (ignoring the EU like), so to these new amazing emerging markets....what is a developing market going to want from us? They’ll have plenty of cheap inferior quality tat and cheaper food produce though no doubt. So we’ll likely open our own market up to competition that our own producers can’t match.

“We’ll be fine” is the glib comment of a typical leaver who really doesn’t care what the fiscal implications will be, they just want to celebrate ‘Independence Day’ it seems. A day when we’ll be free of crippling laws on vacuum cleaner motors.......only we won’t as we’ve adopted every piece of current EU regulation......Oh.
 
I’ve literally no interest in sharing them with you, but all I’ll say is it’s more about what I’ve realised that this country actually is in terms of its people, as opposed to anything fiscal relating to Brexit.

Then why did you even mention it or put the comment in the Brexit thread. It appeared like Brexit was the reason. If it’s not then fair enough.....
 
There is it again. Make a very vague statement, with massive implications and try and pass off this air of calm by simply saying "will be fine".

No one believes you. We've been hearing this nonsense for the last 2+ years and those in the leave camp are making themselves look daft by saying it. "Easiest trade deal in history". Not going too well for your side is it?

Can you explain how either will be fine by the way?

Because it’s in everyone’s interests, UK and EU for it to be. No one wants massive impediments to trade, growth or prosperity, and there are absolutely no reasons why there needs to be, other than intransigence from Brussels.....
 
It's not good but you can understand their predicament. If the UK gets access to the free market without freedom of movement and the need to have to follow the laws of the EU courts then why should any of the others? Like I have said before I would have no problem with the EU working as a trade block for the common good with sensible immigration for skilled workers and to plug the gaps if employment can't be found in this country, but you can't blame them for protecting what they have spent decades building.

Again, if the U.K. can leave and make a success of it, proving all the others could benefit by doing the same, then exactly what is the purpose or benefit of the EU, other than keeping bureaucrats in well paid jobs. It is self serving......
 
Because it’s in everyone’s interests, UK and EU for it to be. No one wants massive impediments to trade, growth or prosperity, and there are absolutely no reasons why there needs to be, other than intransigence from Brussels.....
Only you’ve voted for massive impediments to trade, as whatever deal we got was always going to be inferior in trade terms to what we had, yet again you seek to blame shift, when you really should be just looking in the mirror. As even the best potential outcome was always by definition going to be worse, you’ve even advocated a no deal scenario, which would be an unmitigated disaster for trade, yet you attempted to portray as it as somehow being fine. It simply isn’t fine and no amount of Brexiteer fluff can make it so, it’s a pig of an outcome.
 
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