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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Personally I think a second vote would be good: the first one was pretty close and the 48% feel the 52% were ill-informed.

I’ve never been in favour of a re-run of the referendum, albeit I make you right, people were largely ill informed and the result was very close. Another Cameron gaff imo, as he should have made such a massive decision need a larger majority in order to be carried, but he didn’t and so it was what it was.

However, no one, despite what they may claim now, voted for a ‘no deal’ exit from the EU. It was portrayed at the time as being an option that might be threatened as part of the negotiations, but was never a choice that anyone championed as being a beneficial outcome.

We’ve now got ourselves into a position where it looms as a real possibility if May’s deal (whatever that may be) gets voted down in the House. If that happens then it should be put back to the electorate, as it’s a horrendous outcome despite the incoherent arguments of the hard line Brexiteers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Needs it as I lie on my hospital bed here with potassium of the kidneys poisoning what's happened today?.....

Get well Joe.

 

[dholliday]

Bit patronising that.

The 48% arnt a club that meet on a Thursday. And everyone was ill informed. Pretty sure if there was another vote, folk from both sides would switch.

Not really in favour of referendum not without some legally binding manifesto behind some of the promises made, putting that aside, seems strange that those who voted leave using a referendum are the ones now so anti allowing any further referendums. Some people shouldn't play with fire!

I’ve never been in favour of a re-run of the referendum, albeit I make you right, people were largely ill informed and the result was very close. Another Cameron gaff imo, as he should have made such a massive decision need a larger majority in order to be carried, but he didn’t and so it was what it was.

However, no one, despite what they may claim now, voted for a ‘no deal’ exit from the EU. It was portrayed at the time as being an option that might be threatened as part of the negotiations, but was never a choice that anyone championed as being a beneficial outcome.

We’ve now got ourselves into a position where it looms as a real possibility if May’s deal (whatever that may be) gets voted down in the House. If that happens then it should be put back to the electorate, as it’s a horrendous outcome despite the incoherent arguments of the hard line Brexiteers.

It's all an embarrassing mess. But I can tell you that most of the 52% voted so because they want a similar status to Norway & Switzerland. Own sovereignty but still close political/trade/social ties. Most people don't understand or are even aware of the finer details of any deal. Any future referendum would have to be pretty plain in language.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It's all an embarrassing mess. But I can tell you that most of the 52% voted so because they want a similar status to Norway & Switzerland. Own sovereignty but still close political/trade/social ties. Most people don't understand or are even aware of the finer details of any deal. Any future referendum would have to be pretty plain in language.

Some definitely did, which makes a complete mockery of the durge churned out by the hard line, swivel eyed, loons, that May’s deal was somehow a betrayal of the ‘will of the people’. As people voted for different reasons, and saw leaving the EU as having a number of differing options. There were 27 apparently.

 

[edge]

Bit patronising that.

The 48% arnt a club that meet on a Thursday. And everyone was ill informed. Pretty sure if there was another vote, folk from both sides would switch.

I voted leave, haven't a problem with the vote going to the people , but what are we voting for.
Except.the checkers plan?
Hard Brexit?
Stay in?
If it was checkers or remaining, I would vote remain as despite my reservations on the EU , we may as well be in it as half out , half in.
Hard brexit , well it's never going to happen, as both sides have to much to lose so not even worth thinking about,
In short none of us are going to be fully happy about the outcome of all of this.
Not going to be the end of it either even after we leave, politics in the UK will polerise,left/right more than most of us have ever seen.

 

[peteblue]

she will pete , you just know she will

......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's all an embarrassing mess. But I can tell you that most of the 52% voted so because they want a similar status to Norway & Switzerland. Own sovereignty but still close political/trade/social ties. Most people don't understand or are even aware of the finer details of any deal. Any future referendum would have to be pretty plain in language.

Whole point of representative democracy is not being aware of the finer detail of things. This process has got in the way of more important things like discussing Everton, watching walking dead, and playing video games on the off chance there is a possibility of being better in a now undetermined period of time, folly.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I voted leave, haven't a problem with the vote going to the people , but what are we voting for.
Except.the checkers plan?
Hard Brexit?
Stay in?
If it was checkers or remaining, I would vote remain as despite my reservations on the EU , we may as well be in it as half out , half in.
Hard brexit , well it's never going to happen, as both sides have to much to lose so not even worth thinking about,
In short none of us are going to be fully happy about the outcome of all of this.
Not going to be the end of it either even after we leave, politics in the UK will polerise,left/right more than most of us have ever seen.

I agree about the polarisation. The far right wing cat is definitely now out of the bag, and they’ll continue to push, especially when Brexit fails to deliver the massive drop off in immigration that many voted for, and will in fact almost certainly mean we import more brown Muslims.

 

[dholliday]

swivel eyed loons

I always wonder why this phrase gets so much use. Even David Cameron used it once. I'm still not sure what it means.

Whole point of representative democracy is not being aware of the finer detail of things. This process has got in the way of more important things like discussing Everton, watching walking dead, and playing video games on the off chance there is a possibility of being better in a now undetermined period of time, folly.

I haven't played a good game since Mass Effect 3.

They need to make a Brexit game: at the beginning you can choose which side you're on, then the rest of the game is Tekken-style 1 vs 1. If you vote remain you get to fight as Tony Blair, and in the first stage your opponent is Michael Gove. You beat him you get to fight Theresa May. Win that and it's Boris Johnson up next. He's got a nasty special move where he rams his belly against you and you lose 80% of your energy. But get past that and up next it's Nigel Farage: he's got this massive tongue which shoots out like a Hadoken. Beat him and it's time for the Final Boss...a mass of swivel-eyed loons.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I always wonder why this phrase gets so much use. Even David Cameron used it once. I'm still not sure what it means.




I haven't played a good game since Mass Effect 3.

They need to make a Brexit game: at the beginning you can choose which side you're on, then the rest of the game is Tekken-style 1 vs 1. If you vote remain you get to fight as Tony Blair, and in the first stage your opponent is Michael Gove. You beat him you get to fight Theresa May. Win that and it's Boris Johnson up next. He's got a nasty special move where he rams his belly against you and you lose 80% of your energy. But get past that and up next it's Nigel Farage: he's got this massive tongue which shoots out like a Hadoken. Beat him and it's time for the Final Boss...a mass of swivel-eyed loons.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2013/may/22/how-to-spot-swivel-eyed-loon

 

[dholliday]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2013/may/22/how-to-spot-swivel-eyed-loon

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How to spot a swivel eyed loon: anyone who has different political opinions from you. The Guardian would be a lot more respected if it focussed on reporting the news, rather than writing crap ad hominem articles about parties the staff don't like.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

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How to spot a swivel eyed loon: anyone who has different political opinions from you. The Guardian would be a lot more respected if it focussed on reporting the news, rather than writing crap ad hominem articles about parties the staff don't like.

I take it you didn’t like that piece then? I didn’t expect you would tbh.

 

[Ruairi77]

top-rated comment:

How to spot a swivel eyed loon: anyone who has different political opinions from you. The Guardian would be a lot more respected if it focussed on reporting the news, rather than writing crap ad hominem articles about parties the staff don't like.

for someone who hates people linking twitter, I find it strange that you quote posts from the Guardian site. You put too much stock in how many 'likes' an anonymous post below the line in a guardian article has.

 

[dholliday]

I take it you didn’t like that piece then? I didn’t expect you would tbh.

i like the writer, he normally does whimsical family pieces with a modern bent. I was just pointing out what the majority-feedback was to the sentiment of calling Brexit-voters "swivel-eyed loons".

 

[dholliday]

for someone who hates people linking twitter, I find it strange that you quote posts from the Guardian site. You put too much stock in how many 'likes' an anonymous post below the line in a guardian article has.

I do it in context. See above.