Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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dholliday said:
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How to spot a swivel eyed loon: anyone who has different political opinions from you. The Guardian would be a lot more respected if it focussed on reporting the news, rather than writing crap ad hominem articles about parties the staff don't like.
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Oh and btw, I think you’ll find the top rate comment, was the response to that one, with nearly 4 times the number of ‘likes’

Right, because there's no way that the paper can publish gently humorous opinion pieces while also, on other pages, reporting the news. It doesn't have long established history of doing that in any way, and neither does any other newspaper.

Incidentally, a "swivel-eyed loon" isn't someone with "different political opinions". It's someone with irrational, indefensible prejudices. That's not quite the same thing.

And incidentally incidentally, I don't think that "ad hominem" means what you think it means.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Oh and btw, I think you’ll find the top rate comment, was the response to that one, with nearly 4 times the number of ‘likes’

Right, because there's no way that the paper can publish gently humorous opinion pieces while also, on other pages, reporting the news. It doesn't have long established history of doing that in any way, and neither does any other newspaper.

Incidentally, a "swivel-eyed loon" isn't someone with "different political opinions". It's someone with irrational, indefensible prejudices. That's not quite the same thing.

And incidentally incidentally, I don't think that "ad hominem" means what you think it means.
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well spotted :cheers:
 
dholliday said:
i like the writer, he normally does whimsical family pieces with a modern bent. I was just pointing out what the majority-feedback was to the sentiment of calling Brexit-voters "swivel-eyed loons".
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The piece was nothing to do with Brexit voters, and neither was my original comment, both were about Tory back benchers. Did you actually read it or just head straight to the comment section looking for a counter?
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The piece was nothing to do with Brexit voters, and neither was my original comment, both were about Tory back benchers. Did you actually read it or just head straight to the comment section looking for a counter?
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Under the heading: identification, it leads with this image:

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they don't look much like Tory backbenchers.


But I concede your point: swivel-eyed loons are crazy people with unjustifiably-different opinions to you.
 
peteblue said:
Because it’s in everyone’s interests, UK and EU for it to be. No one wants massive impediments to trade, growth or prosperity, and there are absolutely no reasons why there needs to be, other than intransigence from Brussels.....
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But that just isn't really an accurate assessment is it?

There are many complications to be worked out, as we are now entangled in so many things as a result of being a member for over 40 years. Those who voted to leave, looked at leaving very simplistically. There are also way more issues than the ones that are being focused on primarily and you and I won't even have a clue what they are.

For each 'easy' solution found by the Brexiteers, they're easily shown up as a flawed solution. Theresa May has dug a hole for herself by giving in quickly to the demands of the leave voters by announcing we're leaving the single market and customs union. She is full of contradictions and the UK are now full of unreasonable demands which the EU are clearly not buying in to.
  • We will take back our borders but don't need any border checks
  • We will take back control of immigration but don't need any border checks
  • We will make the UK great again, but risk losing Northern Ireland
  • We won't be part of the Customs Union or Single Market, but the EU will go along with our cherry picking of the best parts of both
  • If we fall back on WTO rules, and get no deal, there will be only a little short term disruption
 
Joey66 said:
He will want us to stay in as his county contribution will go up if we leave...
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It's quite noticeable how even Eurosceptics, of which Babiš is one, have pulled back from lauding Brexit (and Trump) as the implications of both have unfolded in the past few years. It's perhaps telling that those outside the bubble are capable of seeing the car crash for what it is, whilst those within it remain steadfast in their support of things that are clearly going incredibly badly.

I'm glad you're feeling sufficiently better to rejoin the fray though Joe :)
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's quite noticeable how even Eurosceptics, of which Babiš is one, have pulled back from lauding Brexit (and Trump) as the implications of both have unfolded in the past few years. It's perhaps telling that those outside the bubble are capable of seeing the car crash for what it is, whilst those within it remain steadfast in their support of things that are clearly going incredibly badly.

I'm glad you're feeling sufficiently better to rejoin the fray though Joe :)
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Lying hear waiting for test results Bruce thanks ,- using my sons I phone its obvious if we leave as we are the third largest contributer to the EU even the unpopular right wing government s will be anxious of paying up more....
 
Joey66 said:
Lying hear waiting for test results Bruce thanks ,- using my sons I phone its obvious if we leave as we are the third largest contributer to the EU even the unpopular right wing government s will be anxious of paying up more....
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It underlines the difficulties when negotiating though doesn't it? Our trade with countries like Czech and Poland is relatively small, but the movement of people is a much more important concern. We've seen similar issues emerge in our discussions with the likes of India, where they are less bothered about trade (which is fairly low) as about the movement of people, especially of students who wish to learn at British universities. As the migration report clearly stated earlier this week, the fears blown up around migration before, during and after the Brexit campaign have been largely false, and instead, migration brings considerable benefits to the UK.

I know you're a fan of the points system deployed by the likes of Canada and Australia, but 22% of the Canadian population, and 28% of the Australian population are foreign born citizens (as opposed to 13% in the UK, and 9.4% for the EU as a whole). So whilst both Canada and Australia do attempt to manage migration, they certainly don't do so with the aim of reducing it.
 
EFC78 said:
  • We will take back our borders but don't need any border checks
  • We will take back control of immigration but don't need any border checks
  • We will make the UK great again, but risk losing Northern Ireland
  • We won't be part of the Customs Union or Single Market, but the EU will go along with our cherry picking of the best parts of both
  • If we fall back on WTO rules, and get no deal, there will be only a little short term disruption
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Spot on summary of the ridiculous contradictions in the UK position. It's all bluster coming from May so that she can say she tried and then blame the EU for not backing down when the whole thing inevitably falls apart.
 
Joey66 said:
He will want us to stay in as his county contribution will go up if we leave...
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might have more to do with the UK stance on non inference in other EU countries internal policies , we never vote to sanction them as a point of principle we abstain , so it makes it harder for the EU to sanction them as they need a certain number to agree think its 20 out of 27 at the moment, the eastern Europeans Poland, Hungary, Czechs stick together + the UK abstain, and its easier to carry on doing what they want In defiance of the other EU counties.
 
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