Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

EU money is our money we are in a deficit of 8 billion a year - also the rest some of it is our money which the give it back telling us how it has to be spent .......we put 18 billion in per year if our growth goes up - we are pinished to pay more ....
Most countries pay nothing ..... it a gravy train for civil servants and affords two parliaments in an unelected commission....
That's why I voted Out.......

It really is a shame you don't Google more Joe as you might avoid accusations about your ignorance. The European Commission is the civil service of the European Union, so you no more elect them than you do our own civil service. The heads of the civil service are appointed by people we do elect however, just as is the case here.

You will also have found that estimates are that EU membership benefits the UK economy to the tune of some £78bn per year, which even with your imaginary £18bn figure still gives us a return on investment of over 400%. You'll ignore that of course, just as you've ignored everything else in this thread.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It really is a shame you don't Google more Joe as you might avoid accusations about your ignorance. The European Commission is the civil service of the European Union, so you no more elect them than you do our own civil service. The heads of the civil service are appointed by people we do elect however, just as is the case here.

You will also have found that estimates are that EU membership benefits the UK economy to the tune of some £78bn per year, which even with your imaginary £18bn figure still gives us a return on investment of over 400%. You'll ignore that of course, just as you've ignored everything else in this thread.

Vince Cable calls it 'erotic spasm' of Brexiteers. Choked on my sugar waffles with that, it will keep me smiling all day, erotic spasm, wonder if it comes with lip curl or a grown this erotic spasm , maybe both.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Such a pathetic rhetoric as most of your post are 8 billion deficit for a failing club.......

It’s neither pathetic nor rhetoric, it’s merely a simple fact. The cost of us having access to the single market is far outweighed by the trade and foreign investment that it generates.

I’ll leave the rhetoric and poorly constructed arguments to you mate.

 

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[Joey66]

It really is a shame you don't Google more Joe as you might avoid accusations about your ignorance. The European Commission is the civil service of the European Union, so you no more elect them than you do our own civil service. The heads of the civil service are appointed by people we do elect however, just as is the case here.

You will also have found that estimates are that EU membership benefits the UK economy to the tune of some £78bn per year, which even with your imaginary £18bn figure still gives us a return on investment of over 400%. You'll ignore that of course, just as you've ignored everything else in this thread.

As a mod Bruce you have labeled me an idiot , now ignorant - please set a better standard of posting please - this is a forum about opinions mine differ from yours.............
we joke about googling as I have stated many times its what you feed into google to get your answer that suits yourself - I agree civil servants run our country, they would have not been as powerful if the tories had elected a Brexiteer PM....
They are pro EU as they like their jollies over to Europe which I hope will sadly end to a regular degree of an away day with expenses........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As a mod Bruce you have labeled me an idiot , now ignorant - please set a better standard of posting please - this is a forum about opinions mine differ from yours.............
we joke about googling as I have stated many times its what you feed into google to get your answer that suits yourself - I agree civil servants run our country, they would have not been as powerful if the tories had elected a Brexiteer PM....
They are pro EU as they like their jollies over to Europe which I hope will sadly end to a regular degree of an away day with expenses........

They're not opinions Joe, they're facts. The European Commission is the civil service, and there isn't a democracy in the world that elects their civil service. You are wrong on this, yet refuse to listen to facts that differ from your mistaken belief. Ignorance is defined as lacking knowledge of a topic, and your constant comments about the European Commission being unelected betray your lack of knowledge on the topic.

Socrates said that true wisdom comes from knowing the limitations of your own knowledge, and despite countless examples in this thread, both from other posters directly involved or from external authorities who have infinitely more knowledge than any of us on here, you have steadfastly refused to listen. It really is hard to think of any other word to describe such stubbornness.

 

[Joey66]

They're not opinions Joe, they're facts. The European Commission is the civil service, and there isn't a democracy in the world that elects their civil service. You are wrong on this, yet refuse to listen to facts that differ from your mistaken belief. Ignorance is defined as lacking knowledge of a topic, and your constant comments about the European Commission being unelected betray your lack of knowledge on the topic.

Socrates said that true wisdom comes from knowing the limitations of your own knowledge, and despite countless examples in this thread, both from other posters directly involved or from external authorities who have infinitely more knowledge than any of us on here, you have steadfastly refused to listen. It really is hard to think of any other word to describe such stubbornness.

My stubborness does not make me call poster's ignorant or idiots.......
I call it an opinion which was inline with another 17.4 million voters bruce no need to google that fact......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My stubborness does not make me call poster's ignorant or idiots.......
I call it an opinion which was inline with another 17.4 million voters bruce no need to google that fact......

Indeed, it is an unfortunate malady. As the BBC showed this morning, even with large numbers of people, even among leave voters, admitting that things aren't going well, and that the economy will probably suffer, there is no indication that they are prepared to change their mind. That is not a sign of a healthy disposition.

 

[Joey66]

Indeed, it is an unfortunate malady. As the BBC showed this morning, even with large numbers of people, even among leave voters, admitting that things aren't going well, and that the economy will probably suffer, there is no indication that they are prepared to change their mind. That is not a sign of a healthy disposition.

I would vote OUT again as would my family 17.4 million people have seen this very badly handled - a trade deal yes - polictical union NO.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I would vote OUT again as would my family 17.4 million people have seen this very badly handled - a trade deal yes - polictical union NO.......

Case in point isn't it? You've had so many people who actually do trade with the rest of Europe say that they would much prefer to remain in the EU, yet you ignore all of those people who are actually doing the things you claim to want. You've had universities that give us much of the intellectual property with which to thrive in the global market say they want to stay in the EU, but again, you ignore that.

So do please forgive me when I say your desire to have a trade deal with Europe as though that's what our companies want is complete fantasy.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I would vote OUT again as would my family 17.4 million people have seen this very badly handled - a trade deal yes - polictical union NO.......

I have always said I would be in favour of the above but the simple fact is if the EU gave that to the UK they are effectively ending the whole integrated EU project, so a good deal was never going to happen.

We either stay in the EU with all the (perceived) negatives (& could have dealt with the immigration issue in a more palatable way) or we take the Norway model and still have the same issues and a bit less benefits and being able to drive EU policies instead of just taking them.

If we stayed patient eventually change would have come as the bigger the EU gets the less likely it can keep control due to changing views of the population of all these nations.

 

[Joey66]

I have always said I would be in favour of the above but the simple fact is if the EU gave that to the UK they are effectively ending the whole integrated EU project, so a good deal was never going to happen.

We either stay in the EU with all the (perceived) negatives (& could have dealt with the immigration issue in a more palatable way) or we take the Norway model and still have the same issues and a bit less benefits and being able to drive EU policies instead of just taking them.

If we stayed patient eventually change would have come as the bigger the EU gets the less likely it can keep control due to changing views of the population of all these nations.

Or we get out before it folds........

 

[Joey66]

Case in point isn't it? You've had so many people who actually do trade with the rest of Europe say that they would much prefer to remain in the EU, yet you ignore all of those people who are actually doing the things you claim to want. You've had universities that give us much of the intellectual property with which to thrive in the global market say they want to stay in the EU, but again, you ignore that.

So do please forgive me when I say your desire to have a trade deal with Europe as though that's what our companies want is complete fantasy.

Its not a fantasy |Bruce our trade with the EU is shrinking - they export more to us than we do to them - too many students at universities leaving us with a skill shortage - fetch back vocational training in the workplace in all industries including the NHS nursing etc - that came from a father whose daughter has a degree, 2-1 and a masters degree and has struggled to get a vocation {has now} My son is better off with his vocational exams, and is on more pay......

 

[The binman chronicles]

Or we get out before it folds........

It won't fold it will become the trading block that you want. All we are doing is shooting ourselves in the foot for x amount of years until that happens by being on the outside.

 

[TraffordBlue]

EU money is our money we are in a deficit of 8 billion a year - also the rest some of it is our money which the give it back telling us how it has to be spent .......we put 18 billion in per year if our growth goes up - we are pinished to pay more ....
Most countries pay nothing ..... it a gravy train for civil servants and affords two parliaments in an unelected commission....
That's why I voted Out.......

You voted to leave because (to use your £8bn a year figure, which is accurate) you feel aggrieved that the equivalent of 34 pence per day of your money goes to the EU. Or £123 per year of your money, amounting to 1% of our Government spending in 2016:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gove...les/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

Why does it bother you so much when the list of benefits is extensive and you're contributing very little when comparing it to our other Government spending?