Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Don’t be silly.....

I wasn’t being.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

As for explaining what will be gained through regaining our sovereignty, well that's very easy, we will be able to govern ourselves however we see fit, starting with the end of FOM.

As a resident of South Armagh, and a British tax payer, could you please get me up to speed as to how this Freedom of Movement is going to work out for me in practice?

 

[peteblue]

I wasn’t being.

Trust me you were......

 

[peteblue]

I see that Barnier is suggesting that we may have full access to Galileo PRS just like Norway. It’s amazing what a threat can do. Personally I would throw it back in their face and do our own thing, as our tech companies will still be excluded from future contracts, and the EU would still have the ability to deny access in the future. Our defence and commercial livelihood should not be dependent upon the future whims of Brussels......

 

[Joey66]

At least you're more up front with your dislike of migrants, which is a step up from many Brexiters, but the problem is that we are heavily integrated with the EU at the moment, so the options are basically a Canada style trade deal, which will be nowhere near as integrated and fails to take account of the Irish border, and is therefore much worse than we have at the moment, or a Norway style option where we retain our integration, but lose a large amount of control over things.

Instead, the government have peddled a fantasy that we will be able to have all of the integration we have at the moment, minus free movement, and have the freedom to do what we want. It's an utter nonsense that the EU have been quite open in rejecting from the off.

Fantasy the pressure on local services is just a dream the Bruce - stood on a four inch rusty nail checked if I needed Anti tetnus needle - yes I did need one - on receipt the nurse did her best to talk me out of the jab - you would have thought I was asking for gold - nurse had never known lockjaw in this area before .....I replied is the a cure if it develops .....No ...then Jab my arm please ......years ago as a boss I was held responsible to make my staff were aware they needed an update on these jabs as in a horticulturist environment you handed compost etc dirt etc - the system has gone I remember getting reminder letters from my GP - I was 19 years out of the last jab ..... I left with the impression of the nurse was weighing up the cost the telephoned appointment etc - I reminded her I had read years ago a young 22 semi pro footballer died after a local game after a gashed leg playing on in a muddy pitch 6 weeks later with lockjaw ....
It's that stretched the NHS who cares if I have paid in for over 40 years........
Services cannot cope with the four freedoms Bruce hence the out vote ........
My opinion is only if you have paid in should services be free over a period of residency that by the way even if you sign on as unemployment benefits fit the stamp duty is paid for - to arrive and get the services free striaght away is ludicrous look at other countries they make individuals newcomers pay insurance ......or pay by debit card ....
Health tourism needs stopping !
Other countries do it we are just an easy target imo.....

 

[Tubey]

Fantasy the pressure on local services is just a dream the Bruce - stood on a four inch rusty nail checked if I needed Anti tetnus needle - yes I did need one - on receipt the nurse did her best to talk me out of the jab - you would have thought I was asking for gold - nurse had never known lockjaw in this area before .....I replied is the a cure if it develops .....No ...then Jab my arm please ......years ago as a boss I was held responsible to make my staff were aware they needed an update on these jabs as in a horticulturist environment you handed compost etc dirt etc - the system has gone I remember getting reminder letters from my GP - I was 19 years out of the last jab ..... I left with the impression of the nurse was weighing up the cost the telephoned appointment etc - I reminded her I had read years ago a young 22 semi pro footballer died after a local game after a gashed leg playing on in a muddy pitch 6 weeks later with lockjaw ....
It's that stretched the NHS who cares if I have paid in for over 40 years........
Services cannot cope with the four freedoms Bruce hence the out vote ........
My opinion is only if you have paid in should services be free over a period of residency that by the way even if you sign on as unemployment benefits fit the stamp duty is paid for - to arrive and get the services free striaght away is ludicrous look at other countries they make individuals newcomers pay insurance ......or pay by debit card ....
Health tourism needs stopping !
Other countries do it we are just an easy target imo.....

Everything you've just said there is essentially nonsense. Provable nonsense too.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immigration-and-pressure-nhs/

No, thorough NHS bureaucratic incompetence is comfortably a bigger issue than immigration with the NHS. They have failed to handle an ageing population and throw money away hand over fist, whilst the population treasure it so it can come under no criticism whatsoever; criticism that is needed so that it can improve instead of acting like a failing bank asking for repeated bailouts.

Immigrants are just a nice and easy scapegoat.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fantasy the pressure on local services is just a dream the Bruce - stood on a four inch rusty nail checked if I needed Anti tetnus needle - yes I did need one - on receipt the nurse did her best to talk me out of the jab - you would have thought I was asking for gold - nurse had never known lockjaw in this area before .....I replied is the a cure if it develops .....No ...then Jab my arm please ......years ago as a boss I was held responsible to make my staff were aware they needed an update on these jabs as in a horticulturist environment you handed compost etc dirt etc - the system has gone I remember getting reminder letters from my GP - I was 19 years out of the last jab ..... I left with the impression of the nurse was weighing up the cost the telephoned appointment etc - I reminded her I had read years ago a young 22 semi pro footballer died after a local game after a gashed leg playing on in a muddy pitch 6 weeks later with lockjaw ....
It's that stretched the NHS who cares if I have paid in for over 40 years........
Services cannot cope with the four freedoms Bruce hence the out vote ........
My opinion is only if you have paid in should services be free over a period of residency that by the way even if you sign on as unemployment benefits fit the stamp duty is paid for - to arrive and get the services free striaght away is ludicrous look at other countries they make individuals newcomers pay insurance ......or pay by debit card ....
Health tourism needs stopping !
Other countries do it we are just an easy target imo.....

As usual Joe, none of what you say is backed up by evidence. Indeed, the evidence suggests the opposite of what you say. You took umbrage at my comments earlier, but it's this kind of stubborn refusal to look beyond personal anecdotes, or to upgrade your thinking when you hear evidence to the contrary that underpins this view. This is a religion for you, and it brings to mind this classic exchange between Richard Dawkins and a creationist.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Dymak]

Only a Canada type FTA has been on the table all along, but don’t let facts get in the way.

Really? Who has put that offer on the table? The EU or the UK?

That's good news if that is the case, because that's the grown up realistic option that is going to be agreed upon once the drama has finished.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Fantasy the pressure on local services is just a dream the Bruce - stood on a four inch rusty nail checked if I needed Anti tetnus needle - yes I did need one - on receipt the nurse did her best to talk me out of the jab - you would have thought I was asking for gold - nurse had never known lockjaw in this area before .....I replied is the a cure if it develops .....No ...then Jab my arm please ......years ago as a boss I was held responsible to make my staff were aware they needed an update on these jabs as in a horticulturist environment you handed compost etc dirt etc - the system has gone I remember getting reminder letters from my GP - I was 19 years out of the last jab ..... I left with the impression of the nurse was weighing up the cost the telephoned appointment etc - I reminded her I had read years ago a young 22 semi pro footballer died after a local game after a gashed leg playing on in a muddy pitch 6 weeks later with lockjaw ....
It's that stretched the NHS who cares if I have paid in for over 40 years........
Services cannot cope with the four freedoms Bruce hence the out vote ........
My opinion is only if you have paid in should services be free over a period of residency that by the way even if you sign on as unemployment benefits fit the stamp duty is paid for - to arrive and get the services free striaght away is ludicrous look at other countries they make individuals newcomers pay insurance ......or pay by debit card ....
Health tourism needs stopping !
Other countries do it we are just an easy target imo.....

It’s truly incredible that you’ve taken the reluctance of a nurse to advise and then administer a tetanus jab, and then created a completely made up narrative that her decision was somehow based on cost and then you’ve further embellished it, by deciding that the reason cost was an issue was due to immigrants.

It’s wrong on so many levels but challenging your narrative with simple facts won’t alter your entrenched position one iota, so I’m not going to waste my time.

*shakes head, wanders off*

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Really? Who has put that offer on the table? The EU or the UK?

That's good news if that is the case, because that's the grown up realistic option that is going to be agreed upon once the drama has finished.

The EU made plain the trade deal options available to the U.K. in the event of Brexit before the vote, it then updated those options post Mays Mansion House speech when she set her own ridiculous red lines.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sit...e_presented_by_barnier_at_euco_15-12-2017.pdf

 

[Dymak]

As a resident of South Armagh, and a British tax payer, could you please get me up to speed as to how this Freedom of Movement is going to work out for me in practice?

My bird is from Armagh. Lower Darkley.

Anyway, regaining our sovereignty won't result in us imposing the stringent VISA requirements that other countries perfectly reasonably choose to employ as a means of controlling the movement of people into their country's, mainly because it will be impractical in many ways.

So I don't think that coming on holiday to the UK will require a VISA, and nor will we require one to go on holiday in Spain. But guess what, if you want to become a resident of our country and get a job etc, then you are going to have to fill in an application form and undergo a background check as a security measure.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My bird is from Armagh. Lower Darkley.

Anyway, regaining our sovereignty won't result in us imposing the stringent VISA requirements that other countries perfectly reasonably choose to employ as a means of controlling the movement of people into their country's, mainly because it will be impractical in many ways.

So I don't think that coming on holiday to the UK will require a VISA, and nor will we require one to go on holiday in Spain. But guess what, if you want to become a resident of our country and get a job etc, then you are going to have to fill in an application form and undergo a background check as a security measure.

lol because of all those French terrorists we have here? I mean seriously, it's daft. Had Scotland declared independence, would you need security checks conducted at Hadrian's Wall all of a sudden?

 

[Dymak]

The EU made plain the trade deal options available to the U.K. in the event of Brexit before the vote, it then updated those options post Mays Mansion House speech when she set her own ridiculous red lines.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sit...e_presented_by_barnier_at_euco_15-12-2017.pdf

Mate, that PDF has got to be the biggest indicator of what is going to happen. The reason that the Canada and Japan style trade agreement (no FOM) has a big green tick against it is because that's exactly what's going to happen once the melodrama is out of the way.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

My bird is from Armagh. Lower Darkley.

Anyway, regaining our sovereignty won't result in us imposing the stringent VISA requirements that other countries perfectly reasonably choose to employ as a means of controlling the movement of people into their country's, mainly because it will be impractical in many ways.

So I don't think that coming on holiday to the UK will require a VISA, and nor will we require one to go on holiday in Spain. But guess what, if you want to become a resident of our country and get a job etc, then you are going to have to fill in an application form and undergo a background check as a security measure.

You come across as a reasonable fella, can I ask, what does regaining Sovereignty actually mean to you as a Brexit voter? What tangible difference to your existence do you perceive this will bring from a Sovereignty perspective?