Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Harryflashman]

On the plus side, my pensions are set in stone and rise by 4 or 5% every year, but thanks for thinking of me.....

I can’t believe we’re set for a huge falling out between the arch Brexiteers

He also states he will be alright jack after brexit - a total bigot just to get his show in the ratings -I turn him off on any subject tbh- he never lets any debate flow on any subject other than his own agenda on any subject.......

 

[Blue 1]

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Sorry, couldn't help but do an actual lol at that. Fantastic. Am stealing.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Whoa ha ha ha



The smirk on his face probably tells a lot. The easiest trade deal in history he said.

 

[Dymak]

It really is a shame that so few seem to understand the words they bandy about. The 'divorce bill' is not a sanction at all, it is the honouring of financial commitments Britain has agreed to. I think you'll find that is at the heart of any long-term relationship in the adult world, as without their existing trust that each party will do what it said it will do, you have nothing.

That is fundamentally all the EU are doing. They said before the vote, after the vote and at all stages of the negotiation that the 4 freedoms are sacrosanct, and will not be compromised to give Britain a special deal. All that has happened is that the bluster that Brexiteers initially had about them needing us more than we need them, has been slowly ground down by the reality of the situation.

All of this for an undefined regain of sovereignty that not a single leave voter (in this thread at least) can actually specify. It's become a useless catch all term to cover some apparent benefit without having to be specific about exactly what rule they're looking forward to changing (largely because they don't have a clue). I'm sorry, but this is the real world, not fantasy land, so it's time to get real.

Why on earth would the four freedoms of the EU apply to a nation that is no longer part of the EU? This is what it all boils down to. We have voted to LEAVE, the EU will no longer have the right to tell us what we can and cannot do.

Yes, the divorce settlement is seen as a reasonable action to take by the UK because there are some financial obligations that we need to keep. However refusing a perfectly reasonable free trade deal in order to go on to WTO trading terms is entirely unreasonable.

I think the EU will see sense and agree to a free trade deal without free movement. But if they don’t, then it is they who are being unreasonable, and therefore they can’t expect a reasonable response in return.

As for explaining what will be gained through regaining our sovereignty, well that's very easy, we will be able to govern ourselves however we see fit, starting with the end of FOM.

 

[Dymak]

No, the decision has been in our hands for over 2 years. They even provided a graph with pictures so that even docile morons like David Davis could clearly see the trade options available to the U.K. from the EU’s perspective. The idea that the the U.K. is somehow waiting for the EU to offer them anything is an ill informed and inaccurate comment,

This is a mental way of viewing things. The UK is being entirely reasonable in offering a free trade agreement along a similar line to what is already in place with Canada and Japan. We have offered a divorce settlement that is in excess of our financial obligations. Now the EU can either choose to accept our offer of a perfectly reasonable trade agreement, or they can choose WTO terms.

So it is up to the EU. They can choose to be reasonable or unreasonable about things, it's up to them.

 

[Tubey]

This is a mental way of viewing things. The UK is being entirely reasonable in offering a free trade agreement along a similar line to what is already in place with Canada and Japan. We have offered a divorce settlement that is in excess of our financial obligations. Now the EU can either choose to accept our offer of a perfectly reasonable trade agreement, or they can choose WTO terms.

So it is up to the EU. They can choose to be reasonable or unreasonable about things, it's up to them.

The UK has offered no such deal comparable to the CETA, due to the Northern Ireland issue.

You can't just make things up. Well, sadly you can, as this whole idiocy called Brexit has shown, but you shouldn't be able to just make things up.

 

[abelard]

This is a mental way of viewing things. The UK is being entirely reasonable in offering a free trade agreement along a similar line to what is already in place with Canada and Japan. We have offered a divorce settlement that is in excess of our financial obligations. Now the EU can either choose to accept our offer of a perfectly reasonable trade agreement, or they can choose WTO terms.

So it is up to the EU. They can choose to be reasonable or unreasonable about things, it's up to them.

The UK so far hasn't managed to offer anything yet. Do you not follow Parliament? There is no majority for any of the potential outcomes.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why on earth would the four freedoms of the EU apply to a nation that is no longer part of the EU? This is what it all boils down to. We have voted to LEAVE, the EU will no longer have the right to tell us what we can and cannot do.

Yes, the divorce settlement is seen as a reasonable action to take by the UK because there are some financial obligations that we need to keep. However refusing a perfectly reasonable free trade deal in order to go on to WTO trading terms is entirely unreasonable.

I think the EU will see sense and agree to a free trade deal without free movement. But if they don’t, then it is they who are being unreasonable, and therefore they can’t expect a reasonable response in return.

As for explaining what will be gained through regaining our sovereignty, well that's very easy, we will be able to govern ourselves however we see fit, starting with the end of FOM.

At least you're more up front with your dislike of migrants, which is a step up from many Brexiters, but the problem is that we are heavily integrated with the EU at the moment, so the options are basically a Canada style trade deal, which will be nowhere near as integrated and fails to take account of the Irish border, and is therefore much worse than we have at the moment, or a Norway style option where we retain our integration, but lose a large amount of control over things.

Instead, the government have peddled a fantasy that we will be able to have all of the integration we have at the moment, minus free movement, and have the freedom to do what we want. It's an utter nonsense that the EU have been quite open in rejecting from the off.

 

[Dymak]

At least you're more up front with your dislike of migrants, which is a step up from many Brexiters, but the problem is that we are heavily integrated with the EU at the moment, so the options are basically a Canada style trade deal, which will be nowhere near as integrated and fails to take account of the Irish border, and is therefore much worse than we have at the moment, or a Norway style option where we retain our integration, but lose a large amount of control over things.

Instead, the government have peddled a fantasy that we will be able to have all of the integration we have at the moment, minus free movement, and have the freedom to do what we want. It's an utter nonsense that the EU have been quite open in rejecting from the off.

Where have I stated that I dislike migrants? I just think that they should have to fill in an application form and have a background check before we allow them in. Again, this is something that is perfectly reasonable, and a process that is carried out throughout many, if not most, of the countries throughout the world.

Well, I would be very happy with a CETA style trade deal, and I think that anyone that ends up complaining about such a deal, whether they be on the side of leave or remain, would have to be a bit of an eejit that isn't living in the real world.

 

[Dymak]

The UK has offered no such deal comparable to the CETA, due to the Northern Ireland issue.

You can't just make things up. Well, sadly you can, as this whole idiocy called Brexit has shown, but you shouldn't be able to just make things up.

Fair enough, I accept that the official position of the UK is fragmented at the moment. However, only the most idiotic of leavers or remainers would turn that down, and it's that type of trade agreement that represents a reasonable option for both parties.

After the melodrama finally comes to an end, I expect the EU and the UK to see sense and agree a similar deal to CETA. Both parties win. Britain regains its sovereignty.

 

[peteblue]

Comments like this merely reinforce the notion that people from your generation who are shielded from the economic backdraft of Brexit can afford to put ideology and soundbite dogma ahead of economic pragmatism, as you’re not a significant stakeholder in the fiscal outcome.

Don’t be silly.....

 

[Harryflashman]

Don’t be silly.....

From that reply , I presume it was said at least partly in jest ? Even then though you could see how it could feed into that perception that many have ?

 

[peteblue]

From that reply , I presume it was said at least partly in jest ? Even then though you could see how it could feed into that perception that many have ?

Of course it was said in jest......

 

[peteblue]

Even overrated failed chefs are blaming Brexit..

“The British chef told the Financial Time Magazine that Jamie’s Italian restaurant chain had come close to collapse last year.
Mr Oliver said: "Rents, rates, the high street declining, food costs, Brexit, increase in the minimum wage. There was a lot going on.”

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

This is a mental way of viewing things. The UK is being entirely reasonable in offering a free trade agreement along a similar line to what is already in place with Canada and Japan. We have offered a divorce settlement that is in excess of our financial obligations. Now the EU can either choose to accept our offer of a perfectly reasonable trade agreement, or they can choose WTO terms.

So it is up to the EU. They can choose to be reasonable or unreasonable about things, it's up to them.

Only a Canada type FTA has been on the table all along, but don’t let facts get in the way.