Indeed, which is the criticism isn't it?
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Indeed, which is the criticism isn't it?
You used it as a stick to beat the eu with. I just wondered what you wanted our government to do differently.
peteblue
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No I didn’t, I was beating the Euro group......they are not the EU, or are they......
James O'Brien is part of the problem.
orchard
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Go on.
He misunderstands the reasons as to why so many people voted to leave.
For a lot of people, the status quo became unbearable. Any change, regardless of however destructive, would have made people sit up and listen.
He doesn't ever talk about that. He never discusses how austerity has ruined the lives of so many people.
He just talks about the economy.
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Without a doubt, but that doesn't render the above comments invalid, does it?
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Both my parents voted leave and I think there is a far more simple reason, they distrust foreigners and the generations that mainly voted for that were raised on Alf Garnett and generally what we would class racism today throughout the media but back then was comedy. The thought of millions of Romanians and Bulgarians was too much to take and they wanted to go back to Britain being a closed off island. This might be a bit different to the reasons you got from doorstepping in mid Wales which presumably shouldn't have a lot of migrant workers but I think it rings mostly true for urban areas.
The problem is no one can admit this as it of course is frowned upon so it is like the people that say they will vote Labour/Lib Dem/Green and then put an X in the box for the Tory/UKIP candidate. I would respect the people who voted leave more if they could admit that financially this is going to be a disaster and the immigration reason is/or part of the reason why they did and continue to want a hard brexit. As far as I can see it can only be that OR they have a lot of money and think there is money to be made in a post EU Britain (higher interest rates perhaps?) OR they really want to say shove it to the younger generations and think it is funny.
Surely from your point of view the in campaign should have had an easier 'sell' in Wales due to the EU funds given to it due to the high unemployment and lack of UK investment? Just makes me think the austerity reason although is in the mix somewhere can't be the major factor else it is a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.
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Blaming Alf Garnett now..... All my family voted Brexit then there ages were from 28 - 50 - early 60's and no there was no influence from me.......
so let's get this right anyone who voted Brexit is completely out of their mind in a majority in a 72% turn out the highest turnout post war won by over 1.4 million votes if it had been constituency based it would have been a landslide victory.......
it's called democrocy.........
Yes a remain PM has made a pigs ear on the negotiations, but in October she may pardon the pun lose her throne..........
No, of course not. I'm merely stating that even uttering his name tends to close off the minds of Leave voters. I don't enjoy listening to his show on LBC as he comes across as smug.
I tend to find that, on the whole, Leave voters aren't racist as such - although I respect your anecdote in its entirely. The cuts in the public sector and stagnating wages has contributed to the filling of the swap in which racism festers. People see it as "if we're going to have to have less, I'd rather have a bit more and let the migrants have nothing" - regardless of however facile that view is.
I campaigned in both Ceredigion (Remain) and the Rhondda Cynon Taff (Leave). Ceredigion has a fairly high number of eastern European migrants, whereas the Rhondda has very little. When I was talking to people from my native land, I heard a hell of a lot about the pains that limited public services has caused, and how people were concerned about not being able to cope with any sort of influx - as unlikely as that would probably be given the state of the area.
I've never bought into the shy-UKIP'per thing. People tend to be quite honest about who and why they vote the way they do.
The campaign was a complete failure, in every aspect of the word. When things are biting in the way they are for so many people, offering the status quo really isn't the best way to win a vote.
He also states he will be alright jack after brexit - a total bigot just to get his show in the ratings -I turn him off on any subject tbh- he never lets any debate flow on any subject other than his own agenda on any subject.......
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He states that as he’s being honest, he jokingly refers to himself as part of the liberal elite, as he’s done alright for himself and knows that he’s got enough behind him that Brexit won’t significantly affect his life.
Which makes his stance on it not based on self interest.
He lets anyone have their say, what he doesn’t allow and quite rightly, is for people to come on his show and spout soundbites and untruths without substantiating them. So I can see why you think the he’s not allowing ‘debate’ to flow and he has to consistently interrupt Brexiteers in order to get them to justify or retract most of the dogma and waffle they come on to spout.
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I hear another project fear is now becoming reality, the Galileo satellite system we are are to be removed from, in response May has found the money magic tree again, and is to launch her own. Hopefully with her attached to it!
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