Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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lol because of all those French terrorists we have here? I mean seriously, it's daft. Had Scotland declared independence, would you need security checks conducted at Hadrian's Wall all of a sudden?

What? That's my point. You won't need a VISA just to enter the country. But if you want to remain here with a job etc, then you are going to have to engage in the utterly unreasonable condition of filling in an application forms and undergoing a background check.

Gaining the NI number that allows you to work here will become a qualified right rather than an entitlement. I know, it's just the very worst form of fascism isn't it.
 
Mate, that PDF has got to be the biggest indicator of what is going to happen. The reason that the Canada and Japan style trade agreement (no FOM) has a big green tick against it is because that's exactly what's going to happen once the melodrama is out of the way.
We don’t want that though mate, which is why it hasn’t happened. As it’s vastly inferior to what we already have, hence the reason we’re trying to get a bespoke deal. However, it sort of crushes the point that we are where we are due to the EU’s intransigence, they’ve been crystal clear throughout this process, only it’s barely made a column inch in our right wing dominated press.
 
You come across as a reasonable fella, can I ask, what does regaining Sovereignty actually mean to you as a Brexit voter? What tangible difference to your existence do you perceive this will bring from a Sovereignty perspective?

It's very simple. We will get to govern our country in the exact manner that we see fit. The EU won't get any say at all in how we govern our country. An example of this, would be making FOM a qualified right and not an entitlement.
 
We don’t want that though mate, which is why it hasn’t happened. As it’s vastly inferior to what we already have, hence the reason we’re trying to get a bespoke deal. However, it sort of crushes the point that we are where we are due to the EU’s intransigence, they’ve been crystal clear throughout this process, only it’s barely made a column inch in our right wing dominated press.

I think there has been a lot of posturing from both sides. I will say that if either side turn down the option of CETA style trade deal then they are utterly bonkers, whether it be the UK or the EU.
 
lol because of all those French terrorists we have here? I mean seriously, it's daft. Had Scotland declared independence, would you need security checks conducted at Hadrian's Wall all of a sudden?

Ar first, I didnt see the text you highlighted in my post, so I misinterpreted your post a bit.

France has just as many criminals as anywhere else. The security measures will not just be in place to try and keep terrorists out. If you are a rapist or someone with an extensive criminal record then your application to live in this country will be declined.

It won't just be based on criminal stuff either. There will be emphasis on skills and qualifications as well. And no doubt some sort of working holiday VISA for the 18 - 30's etc.
 
It's very simple. We will get to govern our country in the exact manner that we see fit. The EU won't get any say at all in how we govern our country. An example of this, would be making FOM a qualified right and not an entitlement.
Aside from FOM, what EU laws or regulations do you want to see the back of?

As for FOM, the prime issue for me is that we as a Nation have never managed it at all. We could have done so, like Belgium have, by recording who comes in and then actively ensuring that after 3 months, they either can provide for themselves of that they’re in employment, otherwise they are actively removed. We’ve done nothing, and I doubt we’ll do much more post Brexit.
 
As usual Joe, none of what you say is backed up by evidence. Indeed, the evidence suggests the opposite of what you say. You took umbrage at my comments earlier, but it's this kind of stubborn refusal to look beyond personal anecdotes, or to upgrade your thinking when you hear evidence to the contrary that underpins this view. This is a religion for you, and it brings to mind this classic exchange between Richard Dawkins and a creationist.


The evidence is no reminders for tetnus jabs as in the past- the local strain on resources.........in general......
 
The evidence is no reminders for tetnus jabs as in the past- the local strain on resources.........in general......
Oh by the way my hole in my foot is healing up thanks for the comments from the usual ....
I did not need google I needed a tetnus jab - not a reluctance to give it......which in the old days you got a reminder - services are at breaking point!
 
Aside from FOM, what EU laws or regulations do you want to see the back of?

As for FOM, the prime issue for me is that we as a Nation have never managed it at all. We could have done so, like Belgium have, by recording who comes in and then actively ensuring that after 3 months, they either can provide for themselves of that they’re in employment, otherwise they are actively removed. We’ve done nothing, and I doubt we’ll do much more post Brexit.

There are ways to reduce the immigration into the U.K. . Aka the reasons why the transmigrants see the U.K. as some sort of Walhala:

- I think it's relatively easy to lead an anonymous life in the U.K.. You don't have something like an identity card. Compulsory almost everywhere. If I can't produce my identity card, I get fined and get asked to identify myself at the police station at a later date (in theory; I'm native looking so they gladly accept my driving licence or something else). I also believe that the British police isn't allowed to apprehend you on the street without a direct reason. All allowed here. If you're walking on the street the police the police can always ask you to identify; they are also allowed to lock you up for 24 hours.
- I've read somewhere that in the U.K. there's a very large parallel economy (black market), 3 or 4 times larger than in France and a whole lot bigger than in other countries. So if you're abled it's a whole lot easier to survive in the U.K. than on the continent. And say, that you want to abide by the rules it's also relatively easy to start a company in the U.K. (a whole lot more difficult over here, including lots of administration concerning your identity).
- Probably also because English is an easy language. Oh and after all this time there's probably a lot of family and friends in the U.K., relatives of those still in Calais or somewhere else. I also believe the family reunification laws are quite relaxed.
 
To anyone with a basic grasp of human geography it's pretty clear that immigration isn't going away any time soon. Brexit or no Brexit. Brexit will ultimately result in more red tape and skill shortages. This may equate to longer waiting times for tetanus jabs or any other care for our (ageing) population.
 
What? That's my point. You won't need a VISA just to enter the country. But if you want to remain here with a job etc, then you are going to have to engage in the utterly unreasonable condition of filling in an application forms and undergoing a background check.

Gaining the NI number that allows you to work here will become a qualified right rather than an entitlement. I know, it's just the very worst form of fascism isn't it.

As has been said already, we have the power to remove EU migrants if they are unemployed within a period of moving here already. That was one of the apparently meaningless things Cameron came back with. We have access to a fund to help local authorities deal with changes in their population due to migration, but again, we choose not to use it.
 
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