so your statement was not inspired whatsoever by the Italian interior minister saying the EU were trying to swindle Britain? Give over.
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so your statement was not inspired whatsoever by the Italian interior minister saying the EU were trying to swindle Britain? Give over.
Corbyn hopefully
Anders_Limpar
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As far as the country goes. Who’s fault it would be if we got that position would be largely irrelevant. So let’s park that debate and agree to disagree.
I’m much more interested as to why leaving with absolutely no deal doesn’t particularly worry you?
I’m yet to read a single thing (that is backed up with evidence and research, rather than ‘feeling’, that doesn’t present this as really not very good at all)
This article from Friday for example lays out how food transportation could be affected.
http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like
Please - if you have read something, that explains how no deal would not significantly alter our supply chains, do share.
The spectator article from last year that was floating around yesterday, was light in detail and also contained this segment:
“‘No deal’ — trading with the EU with no FTA — is an entirely coherent position. It is very different from just ‘walking away’, which means failing to settle administrative issues such as mutual recognition agreements on exports. No one is advocating such an approach.”
Well that is precisely what is being spoken about now in terms of no-deal. A crash out with non of the administrative issues settled.
Which is why it seems to me to be kind of insane to not be even slightly concerned?
peteblue
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So, the EU are trying to swindle the U.K. are they, I’m glad you raised this point.......
peteblue
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As I’ve said previously, with other posters, the type of reports and articles quoted only ever look at it from the effect upon the U.K. even though we know that the effects upon the EU will be similar if not more so. I have asked Remainers in the past to link me to even one article that spells out the issues for the EU, without success. I believe that a report was even produced by the department for exiting the EU identifying the problems that a no deal scenario would bring to the EU, but that our remainer loving civil servant Olly Robbins refused to even raise it with the EU. However, European governments know how they will be affected, some far more so than others, and they will either address this issue via the EU Council or they will suffer whatever we suffer. I am not worried about a no deal, firstly because there won’t be one, there will be some kind of fudge. But, even if one were to happen, our businesses, and those of our colleagues on the other side of the channel, have more than enough time to prepare and make suitable arrangements. Administrative issues will no doubt have already been covered and merely require political confirmation. The political game is still being played and will continue until the 11th hour in order to gain concessions......
This smacks of "we voted to leave, and if it turns out crap, it's your fault for not implementing it properly." You and others like you wanted this Pete, yet you've shown nary a scrap of evidence or insight as to what this will look like, why it will be a good thing, or how it will benefit the parts of the country that voted to leave. Not a bean, so you'll have to forgive my incredulity when you try and accuse remain voters of a lack of research. Either that or you're the biggest wind up since Chico.
TraffordBlue
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I agree that no deal will not be allowed to happen but it seems like an easy response from those on the leave side to just play down the consequences of one by implying that it will be fairly straight forward to come to some arrangements.
The problem with the notion of a 'no deal' for both the UK and EU is that it requires extra attention that reduces the efficiency in progression towards a stable deal for both. You know full well the back up plans in the event of a no deal will require a lot of attention and planning so it's not as easy as you're trying to claim.
peteblue
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I’m sorry if I seem to be downplaying the consequences or implying that it will be fairly straight forward to come to arrangements. I agree that a ‘no deal’ will require more work and more cost in planning and executing, but this is a one off. I’m not really saying it’s easy, it’s complicated, but it’s all doable.....
TraffordBlue
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That's exactly what they like to do. They voted for a simple leave without having to specify the conditions that would have to be met to get the type of 'leave' arrangement they want. This is because there can't possibly be an easily agreed leave process as they all want different things that can't be implemented due to the conflicting impact of one thing on the other.
Norway and Switzerland for example get mentioned as a model to follow but this idea falls down on immigration due to the arrangement they had to make with the EU with the movement of people. This then goes against the basis of what a significant amount of leave voters voted for and yet a lot of those same leave voters will still throw in Norway and Switzerland to try and boost their argument (or have done in the past). Farage being a notable example.
peteblue
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No Bruce, the bit you quoted from my text was a genuine comment about having not seen one paper, not one single article, that identifies any problems that may be experienced by the EU. All we’ve ever seen are articles showing how the U.K. will fall to pieces and how hard life is going to be. I’m not accusing Remain voters of lack of research, just as I wouldn’t accuse Leavers. But I’ve looked and just can’t find anything and I’ve asked you before to share anything that you may have......
peteblue
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We voted for what was on the ballot paper...
To be honest, part of me wants to see a no deal Brexit as the consequences will be deliciously violent.
Can just envisage Jacob Rees Mogg being hung up in London, Mussolini style.
Can just envisage Jacob Rees Mogg being hung up in London, Mussolini style.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Incredible isn’t it.
Not to mention the complete lie about Sweden and Spain ‘getting itchy feet’.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It merely highlights the total nonsense that is Brexit. People like you batting away the very real issues around medicines, food supplies, logistics chains etc etc, as being ‘doable’. Whilst failing to appreciate the complete fallacy and utter pointlessness of a no deal exit. We’ll have generators bobbing around in the Irish Sea, we won’t have a single trade deal with anyone and 759 treaties will have gone in the bin.
For what exactly? How does any of that improve our lot in the UK?
peteblue
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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
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