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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Bruce Wayne said:
Even the Italian far right you mean? Just so we're clear, this does not mean you are racists. That bloke may want to 'cleanse' Italy of gypsies, but that's OK. That in no way reflects on leave voters. It's coincidence that you happen to have rather unsavoury bedfellows.
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The Italian Government. Does any country who shows even a modicum of support to the U.K. get labelled as ‘far right’. Perhaps you could let me know which of the EU governments I can dismiss for being ‘far right’ or even the ‘wrong sort’ so that I may not be accused of having unsavoury bedfellows....
 
peteblue said:
The Italian Government. Does any country who shows even a modicum of support to the U.K. get labelled as ‘far right’. Perhaps you could let me know which of the EU governments I can dismiss for being ‘far right’ or even the ‘wrong sort’ so that I may not be accused of having unsavoury bedfellows....
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The gentleman you've quoted is from the far right Northern League party in Italy and has made some terrible remarks about gypsies in his country. Or are we to believe a desire to ethnically cleanse a country is not extreme now?

Rest assured, if you quote support for Brexit from Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders, you'll get a similar response from me.
 
EFC78 said:
@peteblue

You are on shaky ground here. The EU has done nothing to keep the peace, that was done by large American and British forces being based in Germany for many years. NATO has preserved the peace. Even now, British forces are based in the Baltic states and the RAF is effectively used as the Air Force for Romania. I agree that when we leave there may be issues, but we have tried and have promised that we are not leaving Europe, just the EU. Even though we offer this guarantee, Brussels throws it in our face...

How am I on shaky ground when for hundreds of years prior to the formation of the European Coal and Steel Community (post WW2) there were Wars across Europe, notably 2 World Wars? Since the 1950's with European Countries agreeing to work together to bring unity across the Region, I don't recall any Wars between England and France, France and Germany, Belgium and Italy. The formation of the EU stabilised the Region in that sense as countries recognised a shared ambition to work together rather than to be better than a rival at any cost. Now we are turning our back on that arrangement (and I will repeat I am not suggesting it will cause a War across Europe) and as a result will have to agree terms that will put us in direct confrontation with a bloc of 27 countries as we're telling them that we can do better on our own. The obvious reply to that from leavers will be that there is nothing wrong with us doing that, but even leavers should be sensible to admit that the EU would be foolish to then give us these great and favourable terms which will humiliate and weaken the concept of the EU?

We are not turning our back on the biggest trading bloc, we will still trade with them. This is the biggest lie of Remainers suggesting that we will just cease trade with the EU. I don’t give a damn about a bloc of 27, we are still the 5/6th biggest economy in the World, we are still one of the two most powerful financial centres in the World and are still the 4th most powerful military as well as being a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We have soft power almost unrivalled across the globe and a network of 53 countries via the Commonwealth who account for about 30% of the worlds population. We actually have quite a lot going for us......

It's not a lie, as I never said that we wouldn't trade with them. We will have to agree new terms though and as we are only the 5th/6th biggest economy trying to take on a bloc of 27 neighbouring countries which happens to include Germany (who have a bigger economy than us) is not going to be this easy task that people like David Davis and Boris Johnson have tried to suggest.

It is not that complicated, 80% has already been agreed, the only complicated bit is the political position being discussed, which will be resolved.....

To say it is not complicated is another tactic by leavers to play down the scale of the task and to label it 'Project Fear'. How is it not complicated? If it's not that complicated why hasn't significant progress been made?
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Easy the EU are making an example of us they will lose their third biggest benefactor - other countries like Italy and Spain and Sweden are also getting itchy feet to leave - also the biggest growth in the world in in south east asian countries - our trade with the EU is falling every year - they trade for us by sitting on the WTO in the countries you mention - tell me how do other big economies survive outside the EU?.........
its just that we have been stuck in it for 40 years - I voted for a trade deal twice - not a bureaucratic European Parliament parliment who force their four freedoms on us they fetched out treaties that we were not allowed a vote on and now when we vote OUT project fear kicks in......
By the way the will be no armies needed as today again our top civil service who are pro EU for their jollies over to to Europe perks just stated the obvious that if and only IF there is a crisis in the UK - The army is used as a back up again the top civil service leaking crap as they are remainers for self interest........
 
Joey66 said:
Easy the EU are making an example of us they will lose their third biggest benefactor - other countries like Italy and Spain and Sweden are also getting itchy feet to leave - also the biggest growth in the world in in south east asian countries - our trade with the EU is falling every year - they trade for us by sitting on the WTO in the countries you mention - tell me how do other big economies survive outside the EU?.........
its just that we have been stuck in it for 40 years - I voted for a trade deal twice - not a bureaucratic European Parliament parliment who force their four freedoms on us they fetched out treaties that we were not allowed a vote on and now when we vote OUT project fear kicks in......
By the way the will be no armies needed as today again our top civil service who are pro EU for their jollies over to to Europe perks just stated the obvious that if and only IF there is a crisis in the UK - The army is used as a back up again the top civil service leaking crap as they are remainers for self interest........
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They didn't force the four freedoms on us, they were voted on and the British government supported them. FFS, I've never in my life heard as much wilful ignorance as in this thread.
 
Here you go Bruce an easy guide, just mark up for me which countries whose opinions I should discount.....a simple yes or no for each one should suffice....

Austria,
Belgium,
Bulgaria,
Croatia,
Republic of Cyprus,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Greece,
Hungary,
Ireland,
Italy,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Malta,
Netherlands,
Poland,
Portugal,
Romania,
Slovakia,
Slovenia,
Spain,
Sweden.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The gentleman you've quoted is from the far right Northern League party in Italy and has made some terrible remarks about gypsies in his country. Or are we to believe a desire to ethnically cleanse a country is not extreme now?

Rest assured, if you quote support for Brexit from Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders, you'll get a similar response from me.
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I didn’t quote any person. I quoted a country, Italy...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
They didn't force the four freedoms on us, they were voted on and the British government supported them. FFS, I've never in my life heard as much wilful ignorance as in this thread.
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The treaties were not put to the vote Bruce - so do not cast me as a fool it was done in a very poor way on treaty |Gordon Brown sneaked over there in the early hours to sign it - as there was a storm for a referendum......
David cameron promised one the denied it us when becoming PM.....
 
peteblue said:
Indeed, there really is some crap being spouted at the moment. I even read one where it said the army would deliver fuel, but god only knows what all the fuel tanker companies and drivers will be doing.....
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There is mate, like the European space agency throwing us out,
It's an entirely different legal entity to the EU, already contains Norway, Switzerland that are not members or the EU , it's funded from a central EU fund which we pay into, we may not be in the fund come Brexit but, there is nothing stopping us just paying are payments directly, if the EU put pressure on for us to leave or not have access it would be on very sticky ground .
Lots of stuff in the media needs taking with a pinch of salt.
Joey66 said:
Easy the EU are making an example of us they will lose their third biggest benefactor - other countries like Italy and Spain and Sweden are also getting itchy feet to leave - also the biggest growth in the world in in south east asian countries - our trade with the EU is falling every year - they trade for us by sitting on the WTO in the countries you mention - tell me how do other big economies survive outside the EU?.........
its just that we have been stuck in it for 40 years - I voted for a trade deal twice - not a bureaucratic European Parliament parliment who force their four freedoms on us they fetched out treaties that we were not allowed a vote on and now when we vote OUT project fear kicks in......
By the way the will be no armies needed as today again our top civil service who are pro EU for their jollies over to to Europe perks just stated the obvious that if and only IF there is a crisis in the UK - The army is used as a back up again the top civil service leaking crap as they are remainers for self interest........
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the commonwealth is shortly to overtake the EU block in terms of world trade, so we are not strictly speaking on are own, after Brexit we will be free to deal with them on are own terms, if we wanted to be part of a block.
Saying that still not sure we will make it to Brexit myself in anything but name..
 
edge said:
There is mate, like the European space agency throwing us out,
It's an entirely different legal entity to the EU, already contains Norway, Switzerland that are not members or the EU , it's funded from a central EU fund which we pay into, we may not be in the fund come Brexit but, there is nothing stopping us just paying are payments directly, if the EU put pressure on for us to leave or not have access it would be on very sticky ground .
Lots of stuff in the media needs taking with a pinch of salt.

the commonwealth is shortly to overtake the EU block in terms of world trade, so we are not strictly speaking on are own, after Brexit we will be free to deal with them on are own terms, if we wanted to be part of a block.
Saying that still not sure we will make it to Brexit myself in anything but name..
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By October when May gets nowhere with her proposals we will have a Brexit leader.......
 
Joey66 said:
The treaties were not put to the vote Bruce - so do not cast me as a fool it was done in a very poor way on treaty |Gordon Brown sneaked over there in the early hours to sign it - as there was a storm for a referendum......
David cameron promised one the denied it us when becoming PM.....
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